cadman Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Does anyone have a couple of these wire keepers that fit in a Do-It FWB-4M-ASU (3501) football mold? The Do-It part number of the wire keeper is WB-800. Please PM me if you haze some and can help. Thanx in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Do you have that mold Cadman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallmouthaholic Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 The wire keeper is made from.025 s.s. wire which is very easy to bend and make your own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasilofchrisn Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I just ordered a 100 pack from Barlows for a project of my own I am working on. I know you are not a fan of them though. I believe the new Do-It catalog just came out with the new jigs and inserts in it as well. If you only need a few and don't have any by the time mine come in I'll gladly send you a few. I was going to bend my own but I wanted to check out these keepers for a project I am working on. I wanted to find a wire keeper to work on a jig design I have been thinking about and am considering having a mold CNC machined with this insert. If it works out I would need a few hundred to start with and bending that many wires is a pain. I also wanted to make sure I had a perfect insert the machinist can use for measuring to make the mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Hey Guys, Thanks for the response. A customer bought this mold and he wants me to pour these jigs for him. However he wants the wire keeper out of yellow brass. So I would like to get a few so I can copy them and have them made out of brass. I just ordered a 100 pack from Barlows for a project of my own I am working on. I know you are not a fan of them though. I believe the new Do-It catalog just came out with the new jigs and inserts in it as well. If you only need a few and don't have any by the time mine come in I'll gladly send you a few. I was going to bend my own but I wanted to check out these keepers for a project I am working on. I wanted to find a wire keeper to work on a jig design I have been thinking about and am considering having a mold CNC machined with this insert. If it works out I would need a few hundred to start with and bending that many wires is a pain. I also wanted to make sure I had a perfect insert the machinist can use for measuring to make the mold. Pm sent. Edited November 2, 2013 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shastaron Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Cadman, Did you get one or do you still need one? If you need one PM me your address and I will mail you a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeylegs1246 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I modified a Do-it jig mold to use the Do-it screw locks to allow me to use soft plastic baits that were not being held in place w/o damage. This tutorial is limited in its scope and is only intended to provide my thoughts on how to simply modify other jig molds.1. Take your mold and mold 2 dummy lead head jigs without the hooks for each cavity that you want to modify. I recommend that you modify only one cavity on your first attempt. That way you still have a functioning mold if things go south.2. Cut the molded head from the dummy jigs. I recommend that you leave a small fraction of the collar on the head. Use a file to remove the remainder of the collar. Place this Jig head back into the cooled mold.3. Measure the insert from its front to where the curve of the coil starts. Also measure the length of the half moon bend at the front of the insert. This distance should equal the length of the mold that will be filled with a heat resistant epoxy. 4. Take the tail portion of the dummy collar and trim it so that when it is placed in the mold that the void between the dummy head and dummy collar portion of the collar is equal to the distance calculated in step 3. My collar cavity was long enough that the coil fit without modification. 5. Coat the ends of the dummy head and collar so that the epoxy used to fill the void will stick to the mold and not the dummy pieces. 6. Repeat steps 1-5 for the other side of the mold. 7. Fill the cavity with a heat resistant epoxy until it is flush or slightly above the surface of the mold. I used JB weld. There may be something better. 8. Allow the epoxy to cure. Don’t rush it. I removed the dummy heads and collars after the epoxy set. If you coated the dummy pieces as in step 5 you can probably wait until the epoxy has set and is cured thoroughly. 9. Once the epoxy has cured and is workable you should be able to remove the dummy parts. Sand or mill the epoxy so that it is flush to the inside surfaces of the mold. Do this to both sides of the mold. 10. Use a jig hook designed for the mold to mark where the hook will pass through the epoxy dam. Use a file, dremmel tool, or whatever to remove only enough epoxy to allow the hook to be inserted into the mold. Do both sides of the mold. 11. Insert a hook with the Do-it coil spring insert and mark another groove where the insert passes though the epoxy dam. This groove should be parallel to the hook channel formed on step 10. Make a small channel for the insert. Yes, a picture would have been nice. 12. That should work for any Mold to allow the use of the Do-it inserts. If you make your own inserts it might be necessary to modify these ideals slightly. I rushed things. I did multiple cavities. I did not let my epoxy fully cure. The epoxy did not hold up too well. My mold works but I have to use gate shears to trim flashings. If I decide to rework my mold or modify another I’ll try to take some pictures. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defish Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Hey Guys, Thanks for the response. A customer bought this mold and he wants me to pour these jigs for him. However he wants the wire keeper out of yellow brass. So I would like to get a few so I can copy them and have them made out of brass. Some walleye guys that make their own keepers leave the keeper end of the wire straight on their jigs when they mold them so that they can easily change plasitics until they hit on the hot color for the day and then they use a pliers to bend the wire to lock the grub in place. If this keeper is like other Do-It keepers that I've seen, to make a simple forming tool you could just drill a hole the dia of the wire into a piece of steel to the depth of the insert's leg to fold the wire end 90 degrees and then bend (or not) the keeper end after the jig is molded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeylegs1246 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 My apology, I was trying to make a post under tutorials. Somehow it ended up in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanman Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 On 11/1/2013 at 7:27 PM, smallmouthaholic said: The wire keeper is made from.025 s.s. wire which is very easy to bend and make your own Please pm me a guide for this I would like to save a few dollars on these instead of having to go buy more and pay extra for shipping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
