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Photo Finish Glue
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Posted 19 June 2004 - 08:51 PM
I have been using a spray adhesive and regular ole Elmers to secure photo shots to the lures and not happy with either of them. Neither of these products produces a permanent bond and this concerns me. I could of course use epoxy to secure it but that's too much work. Wondering if any of you have suggestions.
Posted 20 June 2004 - 07:43 AM
I don't understand what you mean by permanent??
I use Titebond Dark, waterbased glue. I think the
clearcoat is what makes it permanent. I don't think
there is any photo paper available that won't absorb
water if exposed.
Posted 20 June 2004 - 08:38 AM
Hey Coley, be careful as to what type of glue you recommend. Its kind of a sticky subject if you know what I mean. Ha Ha. Ken
Posted 20 June 2004 - 11:54 PM
When I say "permanent" Coley I mean I don't want the stencil to pull loose from the wood once I glue it. The clearcoat is only as good as the layer underneath it. If the paint or photo finish isn't secured completely then the clearcoat will not be secured either...follow me? Is Titebond a trade name like Elmers? I don't recall seeing the stuff. Is it similar to say Gorilla glue?
Is it just me or do I detect some kind of "bond" between you and Coley? lol.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 10:11 AM
Maybe I'm missing something here.....Why don't you print your copies of fish onto decal paper?....(like the stuff they put decals on models etc)It's thin,lays over countours well,and when dry stays put.
I haven't tried any photo finish lures yet( I want to,but haven't gotten to it yet!!)but have used decal paper for logos on lures and it works great!!..Nathan
Posted 21 June 2004 - 11:01 AM
Yea I do need to try it Nathan haven't done so yet, will see if I can find some. Thx.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 11:04 AM
Ken, stay out of this!!
Titebond is about the same as elmers wood glue.
It sands nice and makes it easy to feather the edges.
OK, after you glue your foto onto the wood, before
any painting is done, give the entire bait a coat
of Devcon 2 Ton. Then sand it down, do your painting
and then another coat of Devcon 2 Ton. This is as
much protection as you can get. The beauty of this
is, if you screw up your paint job, you can wash it
off and start over. Anything that gets through two
coats of Devcon 2 Ton is going to damage the bait
beyond use anyway.
Ken is trying to keep the Civil War going.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 12:11 PM
Check out www.Micromark.com They carry the decal paper.They have a online catalog,but I suggest you send off for one(free),they have a ton of stuff you'll find useful..Nathan
Posted 21 June 2004 - 04:11 PM
Watere slide decal? I went to the site and did not see this.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 04:30 PM
Ive had recent success with the decal paper, its surprisingly easy to apply.
Nathan sent me a bait with my logo on it & I had to try it, it works pretty good.
I made some personal baits with my favorite sports logos on them & only had one mess up out of a couple dozen baits.
if you go with glue, stay away from the gorilla glue you mentioned.
its a great adhesive, but it "foams" & expands, not a good idea for appearance.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 07:12 PM
I tried it once with the decal paper. That thing slides all over the place and I found it dificult to get around the edges smooth...they tended to wrinkle in places. Should I cut small V's into the edges?
I also found the Krylon "Workable Fixatif|1306" at Wal Mart. Mircro Mark sells it for a higher price and their number is "1306A", so I don't know if there's a difference in it or not...but this stuff worked just fine.
Probably just need more experience with it.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 09:25 PM
is this material flexible? eg. stretchable?
can you run it thru a printer?
I agree that the decal film will wrinkle over curved shapes (like most films eg; foil, tapes etc.)
a good tip is to use 2 decals, 1 for each side & blend your decal with paint at the back.
Posted 21 June 2004 - 10:18 PM
Your description is EXACTLY what I have been doing, to the tee. I have made several dozen baits in this way. The other day tho I decided to pull on the paper stencil once the glue had dried, bad idea,....it peeled off!!! Now the whole thing has me nervous as I see the clearcoat only being as strong as the bond between the stencil and wood....maybe I am just paranoid.
What is decal paper? I am assuming this stuff is already sticky, yes?
Posted 21 June 2004 - 10:51 PM
all the decal paper on that website is water slide decals.
There is a thin urethane film on 1 side of the decal paper. It comes in clear or white. When it comes out of your printer you seal it with a clear coat of krylon clear to lock the colors in. When thats dry cut out the decal and soak it in water until it loosens from the decal paper. The decal will slide off the paper on to the lure.
Posted 22 June 2004 - 11:12 AM
Interesting, so after being in the water it is sticky enough to hold on to the wood? I can see how it would grab plastic model but it seems it would have difficulty holding on wood. Thx.
Posted 22 June 2004 - 12:15 PM
The decal is never really sticky,when you have the decal in place blot the extra water up on and around the decal.As the decal dries,it dries to the wood,etc....Nathan