bamf-lures Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 so I took a break from lure crafting bc of this issue and I'm gonna try one more time what and how do I get the material that is used for the collapsible frogs?? I'm assuming some type of vynl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 hours ago, bamf-lures said: I took a break from lure crafting bc of this issue and I'm gonna try one more time Sorry to hear that. We will try to help, but you are asking a tough one here. First, take your mouse and hover over Activity at the top right of this screen. Then go down to search on the pop up menu. Enter possible words to match and see what you get. But, in case you don't have luck, I may be able to help. I have not made a slick surface collapsible frog/lure before. But, if you are talking about something like the Scum Frog (see attached) then I do know someone who has. https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/scum-frog Option 1: Larry Dahlberg made one out of an Alumilite Flex product, something like the following: https://www.alumilite.com/store/p/943-Flex-30.aspx They also make it in a 40, 60, 70 and 80. This is a Urethane rubber material. The way Larry made it was to make a master out of Sculpy clay, then made a mold from Silicone RTV (Alumilite HS2 would be a great option). The mold had a plug in it so he could rotomold it. He inserted the weighted hook into the mold then mixed the Flex slowly to reduce bubbles, then poured it into the mold. You do not want to fill the mold, only enough to balance the needs for buoyancy and strength. Larry hand rotomolded the bait for the cure period, leaving a rubber skin all around the bait, with the hook already in place. I believe that this worked very well. Option 2: What I have done is a little different. I used a damaged bait I had that I already liked for the master. I made the mold with HS2, but next time I will use Quick Set or something a little firmer. I inserted the weighted hook and then mixed up the following: https://www.alumilite.com/store/p/974-Flexible-Foam-3lb-Density.aspx This is a super soft and highly flexible material, and it floats like a cork. In the case of my master, I cut it with a hook slot to help when with collapsing. I know Larry Dahlberg well enough to know that his methods work, so option 1 can be adapted to your needs. My experience with option 2 was very pleasing for me. Sooooo, I think the two options can meet your needs. You might need to adapt them a bit for your experience levels, and especially for your demands, but that is the fun of it. HAVE FUN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamf-lures Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yes i used the flex 30 but had horrible air bubbles I was told by a rep at alumilite that it was a vtnl material Im using a rotational molding method id like to know how larry did that..i aldo would love to speak to him. He is the reason i even got into this obsession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Anglinarcher said: Sorry to hear that. We will try to help, but you are asking a tough one here. First, take your mouse and hover over Activity at the top right of this screen. Then go down to search on the pop up menu. Enter possible words to match and see what you get. But, in case you don't have luck, I may be able to help. I have not made a slick surface collapsible frog/lure before. But, if you are talking about something like the Scum Frog (see attached) then I do know someone who has. https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/scum-frog Option 1: Larry Dahlberg made one out of an Alumilite Flex product, something like the following: https://www.alumilite.com/store/p/943-Flex-30.aspx They also make it in a 40, 60, 70 and 80. This is a Urethane rubber material. The way Larry made it was to make a master out of Sculpy clay, then made a mold from Silicone RTV (Alumilite HS2 would be a great option). The mold had a plug in it so he could rotomold it. He inserted the weighted hook into the mold then mixed the Flex slowly to reduce bubbles, then poured it into the mold. You do not want to fill the mold, only enough to balance the needs for buoyancy and strength. Larry hand rotomolded the bait for the cure period, leaving a rubber skin all around the bait, with the hook already in place. I believe that this worked very well. Option 2: What I have done is a little different. I used a damaged bait I had that I already liked for the master. I made the mold with HS2, but next time I will use Quick Set or something a little firmer. I inserted the weighted hook and then mixed up the following: https://www.alumilite.com/store/p/974-Flexible-Foam-3lb-Density.aspx This is a super soft and highly flexible material, and it floats like a cork. In the case of my master, I cut it with a hook slot to help when with collapsing. I know Larry Dahlberg well enough to know that his methods work, so option 1 can be adapted to your needs. My experience with option 2 was very pleasing for me. Sooooo, I think the two options can meet your needs. You might need to adapt them a bit for your experience levels, and especially for your demands, but that is the fun of it. HAVE FUN! I would love to see a video of Larry making a bait that way. Any chance you have a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, bamf-lures said: Yes i used the flex 30 but had horrible air bubbles I was told by a rep at alumilite that it was a vtnl material Im using a rotational molding method id like to know how larry did that..i aldo would love to speak to him. He is the reason i even got into this obsession. You can go to makelure.com and get on his forum. The forum has a lure making section on it that he visit very often. That is the best way. http://asklarry.huntforbigfish.com/ I don't have his number, he has mine, so I email him and he calls me. Because I am a no-body, at least in my eyes, and he is some-body, I try to not over use this privilege. If it can be done, he can help. As for the bubbles, I found that when I used the Flex 30 that if I mixed it slow, and poured it from a foot or more high (creating a thin stream that pops the bubbles) that I had almost no bubbles. Another option is to vacuum the Flex 30. I set myself up a degassing vacuum this last year and it has been a great benefit. I find myself using it even when I don't need to. The attached is a short video, bad but short, of some HS2 I was degassing. I hope I got of the share features set right. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FF8uH7N0I9mCxapvMneElURYzkhnHkC7/view?usp=sharing PS, he rotated it by hand I believe. I was looking into something like making the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BIgDPz2-W4 I would probably put a motor on it if the cure rate of the material I was using took a lot of time. On the flex 30, with a 5 min. open time, I would stick with the hand method. Edited January 22, 2018 by Anglinarcher added detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, mark poulson said: I would love to see a video of Larry making a bait that way. Any chance you have a link? I wish I did. He had it on one of his TV shows and I did get a chance to talk to him about it but it has been quite some time ago. He might have put it on YouTube. One might try searching Alumilite or Larry Dahlberg on YouTube and going through them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Anglinarcher said: I wish I did. He had it on one of his TV shows and I did get a chance to talk to him about it but it has been quite some time ago. He might have put it on YouTube. One might try searching Alumilite or Larry Dahlberg on YouTube and going through them. I can't find it, but I did read a lot of interesting stuff. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'll see if I can get lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, Anglinarcher said: I'll see if I can get lucky. If you do, I hope it's with your wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, mark poulson said: If you do, I hope it's with your wife. ROFLOL - at our age, that is not luck, that is a miracle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 hours ago, mark poulson said: I can't find it, but I did read a lot of interesting stuff. Thanks. I have posted a request for information on is site. We will see if he sees it. http://asklarry.huntforbigfish.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31828 Previously we discussed this in 2012 but did not get resolution. http://asklarry.huntforbigfish.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13908&p=21200&hilit=hollow+frog#p21200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglinarcher Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Larry just responded to his site. He thinks "Might be on the workshop video". He includes a workshop video in the the starter kits Makelure has. I think Makelure also sells them. I am pretty sure I have one somewhere so I will look and see if I can find it. If I can, I will see if he will allow me to post that portion. In the meantime, you can check out the following to see the details he provided this time. http://asklarry.huntforbigfish.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=31828 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
