Jointed Crank - Sneak Preview
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Posted 25 November 2004 - 05:04 AM
Here's the SS Wire jointed minnow ala LC Sasara that I'm talking about in near completion. Head pose is included as requested in the Docks . Still some minor details to attend to but I thought I'd better post it first since I've mentioned it in other posts too many times :oops:
A bigger version is here:http://www.pbase.com...98/original.jpg [Edited link, I was careless]
Comments & critics highly welcomed, be as critical & harsh as you can be. Questions will be answered, I'm willing to share all the making process & hopefully you can help me simplyfy it. As it is, it is made from 10 individual pieces foiled, painted & finished b4 it is assembled. The joints have differently cut V angles to restrict the movement so it wouldn't swim in a "broken-back" manner and be as close as possible to the movement range for the different parts in a real fish (I wanted this lure to be as "real" as possible). One interesting thing to note is that the "springiness' of SS wire really helps to imitate a "back-bone" in a fish and this is the secret to it's near lifeness swimming action (LC sure has hit on something great here). The hook setup is the same as my "Overkill", minus the tail & top hook. The next one will include more details & a bucktailed tail hook; but I'm resting for a while, my eyes still hurts from doing this one.
Sorry to sound egoistic but: "Praises are good, but it doesn't help me improve" :oops:
This is a prototype so it'll definately go through future chages. With the pool of experts here I'm sure you guys can help me perfect it.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 07:17 AM
Sorry dude, all I have is praise...exceptional detail and consistency in the paint job to have been painted separately.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 07:41 AM
VERY nice... and here's your criticsim...where's the really big one that I can use muskie fishing. Awesome looking bait!
P.S. that othre link says ACCESS DENIED!
Posted 25 November 2004 - 08:21 AM
Great looking bait!!!! How do you do your scale detail. it looks fantastic.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 08:25 AM
Any info you'd care to share about the joints are assembled? Are there loops that are joined or is the wire on piece running through all the lure parts?
Posted 25 November 2004 - 09:39 AM
I really like the front fin detail, as well as the texturing and the 3d eye. That eye is VERY realistic.
My only criticism would come from trying one out. How can I get one ?
Posted 25 November 2004 - 11:11 AM
To say it's nice is quite an understatement. How long does it take to make that? How can youdare cast that out, knowing you might lose it if have it busted up?? I'm more a meat and potatoes kinda guy, plus I don't have the skills to pull something like that off!
Thanx for the head shot. Atleast one person rean my post.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 12:38 PM
Excellent work but a bit scary and serpentine. I would probably hit it with a stick if I saw it laying around. A museum piece for sure. I'd call it "The Terminator Minnow" or how about "Robo-Bait" ?
Posted 25 November 2004 - 04:37 PM
I like the bait Lapala, it's very well done. A mold for each piece or one mold that holds several sections may prove the most timely and consistent for assembly. What if instead of securing each piece along the wire you slipped a stainless steel or copper sleeve between them? The sleeve could be cut from thin tubing.
You know this concept is really not that new of a thing. Some of you may have seen the rubber snakes and fish made overseas in which a piece of leather is sandwiched between the two sections of rubber and then cuts are made down to but not through the leather every inch or so. You end up with the exact same concept only it's done with leather instead of stainless...this have been around for decades. China and India have also made many different versions of brass fish that are mostly ornamental but accomplish the same action.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 04:56 PM
For some reason the software wouldn't let me edit my above post so will post again. Another thing to think about Lapala if you are going to make a good number of these is the potential for water damage. As you know water quickly destroys a bait. A single section is hard enough to protect and when you start dealing with multiple pieces that are moving like this bait has I think water damage is inevitable. For this reason if you are going to make a good number of these think about some type of foam or plastic so that in the event water does get in there won't be an expansion and unraveling of the entire project.
Concerning the ss sleeves...I'm thinking the wire could be secured at the head of the bait, a sleeve slipped on, then another section, another sleeve, etc. You could keep the bait sections sitting in the position you want them to by using a ss wire that is flat instead of round, this wouild prevent them from spinning on the wire...other options might include sleeve sections that include a small tail that fits into each section of the bait and prevents them from twisting. Once all the parts are in place you would simply push everything forward to insure it's tight and then secure it in place with a final cable clamp of some type. Just how tight things need to be would take some experimentation.
I think the assembly of the bait will be bad enough but the painting and finish will be torture!
Very nice bait...put her on the wall...........the bait I mean.
Posted 25 November 2004 - 08:51 PM
How about a piece of titanium wire or flat stock? I know a guy around my neck of the woods who has been using titanium flat stock to achieve the jointed bait motion. Because the stock is flat there is no rotation issue.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 04:11 AM
Thanks for the encouragement guys & special mention to Riverman for pointing out the concern for durability.
My computer file tells me I first started drawing the template on the 13th of Oct, I think I spend the rest of Oct tinkering with the cut angle & basically trying to figure out where & how every should go. Actual cutting of the wood was 2 weeks ago, working on & off & sometimes none at all (I still wanna fish ) I completed it 2 days ago.
Fot the consistancy of the paint job, it is actually doublesided taped togather & done in one go The insides of the joints need some touch up.
As for asssembly (see Jointed-plan pic), pieces 1-6 are one piece drilled thru & wire threded then Devcon in place. To Riverman, yes I use stailess sleeve to anchor the points & the points where the wire emerges is flared to hold more devcon, however I'm looking for alternatives as I suspect the ability of Devcon adhering to such smooth surfaces. Piece 8 is grooved along the inside centre line. with another anchor point in the head, wire is then push into the groove to be Devcon in place. Piece 7 is two piece & last to go on so I can crimp the wires togather exactly to the tightness I need, the two pieces are then glue & clamped togather. It leaves some gap on top without paint & after touched up the Devcon is reapplyed (to that part only). It was a fiddly & time consuming bait to make. A bigger one should be much easier.
Oh the lure is actually 9.5cm. Here's a finished photo with the hard ware. Two single hooks are held in position facing upward with a mangnet situated where the red belly button is.
PS: Actually I was tempted to paint a forked tongue on the lip when I was doing the inside of the mouth Maybe the next one; then I'll christian it Nessy
Posted 26 November 2004 - 07:27 AM
My hat is off to you.
Your bait is truly a custom made crankbait.
Without a doubt, it has the most realistic paint job
I have ever seen on a bait.
Your craftsmanship is beyond belief.
Congratulations, on your accomplishment.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 08:30 AM
Very cool, indeed!
I can appreciate all the effort that went into it. Thanks, too, for sharing your plans and scaling jig. Isn't it amazing what some planning can do.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 08:50 AM
That bait is unreal. I would have a hard time putting that bait in the water.
I would have to make a mold of it and make them from foam and put that one in a glass case...
Great work. That is just outstanding
Posted 26 November 2004 - 11:13 AM
Everytime I get on this forum I see a bait that is truly amazing. Excellent work. Seeing how you made those scales gave me some ideas for my own lures awesome. That piece you made looks a lot like the tools made at hardware stores for putting glue down for tile or flooring. I will have to look at them again next time in hardware store they are made out of plastic. Just a thought though. Again nice work.
Posted 26 November 2004 - 02:09 PM
Another passionate, obsessive, genius derailed by lure-making...it IS a beautiful world sometimes...
I like those single hooks for hand-to-hand combat with big fish in nasty places...we don't need no stinking drag...you must show us how it looks in the water...or you could just send us all one and we could see for ourselves ...not to mention the R & D we could all do!
My wife just said that it would make a pretty piece of jewelry. I think it would make a great fishing lure!
Congratulations on this major achievement!!
Posted 26 November 2004 - 07:15 PM
You asked us to judge your bait and so far all you have is compliments. I will try and help you a tad bit. As I get older my eyes can't focus very well, so if you would kindly ship that bait to me I will be more than happy to give you my opinion.
Really nice looking bait, but the well thought out plans are awesome. Thanks for sharing the info.