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Need advice on the proper primer selection
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Posted 21 January 2005 - 06:20 PM
I'm new to the whole process of repainting lures. I've read some of the previous post regarding air brushing and found them to be very helpful. I'm a little confused on Primers still. I'm starting to prep some lures to repaint. Most are plastic but some are wood. I'm wondering if one brand of primer can be used for both wood and plastic or if I should buy separate primer for each. I saw were some guys like Painters Touch but it only referred wooden baits in the post I saw.
Thanks for your input
Posted 21 January 2005 - 06:58 PM
Doug, I'm a newbie to wood.
But some of the ol' pro's here told me to use Krylon Fusion. It is designed for plastic, but works equally as well on wood. You can find it at Wal-Mart or most hardware stores.
Posted 21 January 2005 - 07:56 PM
I used a water-based product called Kilz and buy it in gallon jugs. I dilute it some with water and then dip each wooden bait in it and let it hang until dry. This stuff is really great, sticks to the wood fantastic and is somewhat plastic-like.
In this way you have both a sealer and a primer and are ready to go to paint. Make sure you wait a few days after using the primer/sealer as you want to make sure it's complete dry.
Posted 22 January 2005 - 04:04 PM
It won't do much good to use fusion unless you sand
the bait down to the plastic. Regular krylon white primer
will work just as well over the sanded paint.
Posted 22 January 2005 - 04:17 PM
Sorry if I gave you bad advice!
I think they may have told me to use the fusion because I sealed my wood with the plastic dip? I have also used the Kilz that Jed mentioned, but out of a spray can. Both go on nice and thick.
Posted 22 January 2005 - 04:37 PM
I also use kilz and others by the gallons , dip them and let them hang for a few days . Nice thick sandable primer , fills in minor boob boos also . It has worked well for lots of lures .
Posted 22 January 2005 - 04:48 PM
I'm curious, do you guys using Kilz thin it some as I do? I tried once without and it seemed to be a bit too thick.
Another nice thing about the Kilz that I have found is it will actually dry in extremely cold temps. My shop is in the garage and it's not heated......yikes! Anyway, I dip the baits and then hang them with some newspaper underneath to catch any drips. After one day they are completely dry to the touch, even in 25 degree F weather! I then bring them inside and let them sit another 5-7 days or so in the warmth to insure complete drying. I have tried many other forms of primer/sealer and am the most happy with this method. The Kilz really sticks to the wood, hard to even scrape off with a knife and like I said above it has a somewhat plastic feature to it.
Posted 22 January 2005 - 07:28 PM
I tried to spray some Kilz that I'd thinned down with airbrush medium but it didn't work too well. I'm now spraying a thinned down exterior latex house primer. It works fairly well.
I was considering just getting Kilz in a spray can even though it's more expensive. One coat coverage, quick drying and I'm airbrushing the same day.
Posted 23 January 2005 - 01:01 AM
Kilz is good, and like Jed, I thin it and dip it. I think it adheres much better than latex Zinsser...I've also rattle-canned it, but it is simpler and much more cost effective to dip it. It also dries better in fairly humid environments than alot of primers.
Posted 24 January 2005 - 11:36 AM
I like the self-etching primers, you can find them in the paint section at auto part stores, JIM
Posted 24 January 2005 - 12:27 PM
I have always used Kilz like Jed said. Works great dries fast and sticks and stays on. Jed when did you switch from bulls-eye? And how do you compare the Kilz to bulls-eye?
Posted 24 January 2005 - 05:02 PM
I switched Corey maybe a month or two ago. The Bulls-eye as you know is just a sealer so then I had to go to a primer after that...another step I didn't want to do. So I started looking for something that included both the sealer and primer and also something that I could dip the baits into as I was tired of trying to spray them. Kilz is working just great for me thus far.
Posted 24 January 2005 - 07:18 PM
I've used the Zinsser spray cans for wood baits for quite awhile, works ok. Dipping sure sounds easier, is the Kilz that everyone's using the original white gallon cans with red lettering (oil base). Think there's a bunch of different versions now. Cliff
Posted 25 January 2005 - 10:29 AM
No the kilz we are using is a water base.
Posted 25 January 2005 - 02:42 PM
It's in a blue and white can with red letters, kilz 2, water based latex. I found it way to thick for my taste, I just use 2 coats of painters touch white primer.
Posted 25 January 2005 - 03:35 PM
Doug, if you are just looking for a primer there are some more simple ways then the Kilz. The people that use the Kilz are using it for a wood sealer/primer. Plastic lure don?t need a sealer because they don?t absorb water. The sealer for wood is like sealer for cement. If you don?t seal it is going to crack and chip. Same with wood if you don?t seal it will crack the wood and chip off your paint.
Posted 25 January 2005 - 07:14 PM
Benton you have to dilute the Kilz with water...not sure how much I added I just kept adding water and stirring like mad until I got a consistency that looked about right. The good thing is that by adding water the product goes that much further.....make sure you get the water based version. I'm sure a gallon of the stuff would last the average builder years.
Posted 26 January 2005 - 04:19 PM
Thanks for the tip Riverman, I have some left over from a room I repainted and I am going to try and thin it. One question, how do you keep from clogging in the lip slot? I had that problem when I was sealing my lures with the minwax product.
Posted 03 April 2005 - 05:23 PM
Please tell me I didn't purchased the wrong primer spray can today. I'm currently working on my first crankbait & I had the paint sanded off awhile ago & applied Krylon Primer. I noticed its clear spray instead of white or grey? Was I suppose to get "Fusion" thats printed under Krylon or am I safe?
Posted 04 April 2005 - 04:33 PM
if you purchased Krylon primer & its spraying clear, then youre not shaking up the can before you start. Krylon dont make a clear primer.
You likely purchased thier clear acrylic instead.
Theres a way to check, shake the can, the primer has a marble in the can, the clear acrylic does not.
Plastic lures are pretty simple, krylon primer would be fine.
Krylon "Fusion" is made for plastics like polyethelyne & poly-resin plastics that are inherently "oily". Plastics used in injection molded lure bodies are mostly high impact acrylic, so "fusion" isnt needed or recommended because it takes quite awhile to fully dry.