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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:56 PM
Here's 2 lures I just made. They are not originals but copies with mods to size & a bit on the action to suit my fishing conditions. What do u think & if that is permissable under the "fair use" clause?
Bigger one is a turus UKKO copy with added details carved & the smaller one is a Rapala FatRap scaled down to 4cm.
Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:02 PM
great lure Lapala & u know u can always do copies for yourself as long as u dont sell them
ps Love them colours
Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:07 PM
LP, those look better than the originals dude :!: Keep up the good work :!: I think I am gonna put away my airbrush and try the rattlecan :-D
Oh yeah, are these for personal use ? If so then make all you want dude and tell anyone you want to how you did it. Just sel me one please B&B
Posted 23 April 2005 - 11:43 PM
They aren't copies, you made them didn't you? I wouldn't feel right about blatantly copying another guys bait but it's almost impossible to not make something similar to something that has been done in the past. Every bait on the market today is a knock-off of another made decades ago.
I love that top bait Lapala. You blended the scales with the paint perfectly. That is the finest bait I have seen you post.
Posted 24 April 2005 - 01:49 AM
Thanks for the encouragement guys. Now where are the gals?
well I'm giving credit to where this stuff originated from although I did do all the work & mods which strictly makes these lure not the original lures anymore?.
It's true what you've said, fishing stuff have been done over and over so many times it's hard to come up with something that doesn't resemble what's been done before or work in the same principle. Even some patented stuff I've seen are strictly speaking "improvements" over what's been done before, guess these guys just have more buisness sense than we do to take advantage of the patent process.
Posted 24 April 2005 - 06:32 AM
Show me a lure that is unique and bears no resemblance to an existing lure. Every minnow lure is a copy of a Rapala, which Old man Rapala probably copied from his neighbor Sven. I'll bet that if you sat down and designed that unique plug :idea: I mentioned and posted it here, someone would say, "Oh, thats a (you fill inthe blank) copy.
Exceptional work as usual Lapala.
Posted 24 April 2005 - 06:36 AM
Swede, man them things are huge. They look 10" long
beside the scale laying there. Nice job!!!!
Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:34 PM
When I started building hard baits I wanted to "pave my own way" but after spending several hours looking at patents I realized it was impossible! I am suprised to be honest by what the patent office allows for patent. If I take a ford or chevy truck, remove the motor, put in a modified motor of some type, paint it a new color, put on different bumpers, tires, wheels, and seats, is it now a now a "unique concept"? I don't think so but the patent office sure allows that type of thing to happen all the time. I don't think it makes "good business sense" to patent a lure because someone will mod it slightly and use it anyway...save your money.
Posted 24 April 2005 - 05:56 PM
If you were to do anything at all, I'd say Copyright the name and the picture/color scheme. It costs very little and lasts for 100 yrs or so. JMHO
I just copyrighted the name "Riverman Lures" Yesterday.
Posted 24 April 2005 - 10:11 PM
To hell with any "fair use act" !!!!!!!!! Whatever that is...... You made or modified these baits by hand. They are not the same as the originals. Even if they were it would not matter. YOU as an individual are not a threat to the larger bait companies. You could never make enough lures to cause those companies any grief. You are not a factor on their profit. Make all that you want and sell all that you want. Unless you are making tens of thousands of baits a year and taking their profits, they will leave you alone. I know a man that has made a huge pile of money modifying Bagley and Rapala lures and reselling them. As a matter of fact Bagley has talked to him about the modifications that he came up with for their baits. Make your lures, make a little money, and enjoy catching fish on them. That's what it is all about.
Posted 25 April 2005 - 08:04 PM
LP, according to a post I read, the copying of lures is a no no and infringing on patents. You might get away with it where you live but I think you better look into the copy laws. I think some companies protect their lures very well.
Posted 25 April 2005 - 09:46 PM
Great looking baits lapala,
I want some for myself.
I'm a little torn as to if they would be legal or not?
Is it a copyright infringement if it's a different size? Or if the shape was slightly modified? maybe a different lip material would do it? I don't know, better let this one for the experts opinion. If they are "legal" would you be able to send me some?
Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:10 PM
How in the ^(*& is a bait company going to track down LP? Even if they catch up to him what are they going to get out of him? He is a single guy ( not a company ) making some baits for himself and a few other folks to make a few extra bucks for whatever. LP seems like a normal working man to me. I don't think he drives a Rolls to work. Nor do I think he has a Swiss bank account they could garnish. It just is not worth their time and money to go after him. I mean think about it...... How many baits could he make in a month making them by hand? I have seen the machine that Rapala uses to cut the bodies for their lures. That thing can honestly spit out more bodies in 2 minutes than LP could make in a month. I watched them feed in a 10 ft. piece of 3X6 balsa into that machine and in less than a minute it had devoured the entire piece and was spitting the finished bodies out into a bin.
Go ahead and buy some of the baits from LP. I don't think that the Normark police will show up at your door and run you in. If they do...... let me know and I will put up your bail.
Posted 25 April 2005 - 10:47 PM
And here endeth the lesson on the "fair use clause" :grin:
Amen Brother Skeeter,Amen
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