I posted a couple of pictures in the gallery because I wasn't sure if I was supposed to post in the forum. I recall some older posts about it taking up too much room. Anyway, they are my first attempt so they may serve to produce Christmas cheer among the more talented in the forum. I can't wait for the Indiana spring to come so that I can try them out. Also, I haven't been able to access the article that Dean posted, but if it isn't mentioned it should be the willingness of the experts in TU to share their secrets, even if sometimes cryptic (I think Skeeter called me grasshopper once). Thanks again for the help.