Pop Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I thought I was confused before. I just processed too much information. Spoke with a tech. guy from Cargil about salt. He actually said that the large manufacturers of plastics are using a coarser salt because it disolved slower. They are using "alberger flake" salt. Also the Alberger salt is water soluable and the popcorn salt is not. For example if you were making a clear bait with popcorn salt, your bait would be cloudy looking and not clear because of other properties that are mixed in. The Alberger salt would be clear. So if you are having a problem with colors, that could be the answer. On a day where the humidity is over 75% the salt will come out of your bait and soaking in a brine solution will put the salt back in the bait. There are four sizes of salt that the tech. guy talked to me about. They are Micro, Flake, Fine Flake, and Coarse or Coarse Flake. If you, and I wish someone more familiar than I with the process want to talk with a technician with Cargil, the number I called was 800-377-1017 and the person put me through to him. He was very familiar with plastic bait manufacturers. Pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Problem with coarse salt. It falls, and does not suspend well in plastic. So it ends in the bottom of the cup, not in your bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted September 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I think the "Alberger Salt" (which form I am not sure, but I think it is called Micro size) is clear and finer than the popcorn salt. I have a call into a salt company(recommended by the technician) in Carbondale Pa. and will discuss with them. I will let you know what they say. I forgot to mention that 12-2lb containers of popcorn salt is $20.10 including shipping to me in Pa. from Cargil. The number to call for ordering is 888-385-7258. Pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeminoleFan Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Pop, Let us know how it works out for you. Sounds like you just might be on to something. Rick SeminoleFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 No kidding. I know the salt that I make into a powder will change or pervert the color. Florescent colors are turned brighter, but darker colors can get washed out of you dont add extra color. Let us kow if it still happens with this other type of salt, as well as the actual size if the salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted September 11, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 The people I was referred to have been extremely nice. The company is called Shoenberg salt. It turns out they only sell by the truck load, anybody up for a delivery but, when I say they have been very nice I mean very nice. There is an 80lb bag of fine flake salt waiting for me to pick up free of charge. As explained to me, "Alberger" is the name of a process. The flakes of salt should be clear, larger than popcorn salt but lighter than popcorn salt. I would be happy to repackage for anyone that would like to try some as long as you pay the shipping. Let me know. Pop PS: I won't be picking up until next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeminoleFan Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 Pop, Put me in the pot ! I would love to try some. Let me know when your ready for my address. Thanks Rick SeminoleFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Slim Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I will take 10LBs or so. Email me your adress and i will send money to cover shipping to NC. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docirv Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 Thanks for all the good information. I would like to try some of the salt. Please let me know how to expedite this. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u63405 Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 has anyone tried "sea" or "kosher" Salt??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassnG3 Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 What about canning salt?? Was curious if anyone has tried this before? Once I get basic pouring down (which still hasn't happened) I will purchase a senko mold and try it. BassnG3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted September 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 OK, I picked up my free bag of Alberger salt. I also did some more searching and found a website for Harvey Salt Co. and spoke with Al Prestileo, Vice President sales. Al is an avid fisherman so he knew what I was talking about regarding salt in plastic baits. Web site: www.harveysalt.com It turns out that you can purchase a 50/80 lb bag of salt for $7.00 picked up. Total cost with packaging and shipping about $25.00 from Baltimore to the Pocono Mountains in Pa. Al also mailed me 12 pages of information about Alberger salt that I have not digeted yet, but hopefully will give me more information. Al did say that there is a manufacturer in North Carolina that uses one of the grades of Alberger salt. Anyone that wants a copy of the twelve pages and has a fax number, just email me and I will fax the pages by this weekend. The salt that I have is Alberger Fine Flake. If anyone still wants a sample, just email me your address. Pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Note the smoke or vapor coming off from a just-ground qty. of regualr salt. You might not see it clearly from the pi on the right, but the product has the same consistency as flour and doesn't change lure color. The ones I sent in the swap, all have this salt in them. At $.50/lb. (no tax or S&H), it works for me. The only other expense is the time needed to grind a lb. of salt. (5 minutes/lb.). Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pop Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Hi Sam. What are you using to grind the salt. Pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Pop, a small coffee grinder that cost less than $15. I was too lazy to grind my own coffee and it collected dust for 8 years. (Good thing I'm a pack rat!) The only thing about using powdered salt is that the worm color is always opaque and metal flakes are subdued. The reason for the super white flour-color, is probably due to the crystals being scratched up on all sides from the grinder blades. Before I found that grinding salt makes it suspend and pour easier, I used unground salt and had a more translucent bait that had far less salt in it. Once the leftover plastic hardened in the pyrex, 90% of the salt was at the hard bottom. Maybe Cargil salt is the way to go. I melted Senko chunks and regular-sized salt crystals settled to the bottom. Too bad there isn't a way to pour plastic and salt at the same time into the mold. If the Lee pot was funnel shaped, it could be done by pouring the salt into the center of the melted plastic as it drained from the spout. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docirv Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 : Well, Pop, I was wondering if you ever got that 80 pounds of flake salt? How did it work? Are you still considering sending out samples? If it worked out okay for the baits I would consider contacting them for some. Hope all is well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 pop, i have to add my 2 cents on a point you made about water solubility of the salt, i don't think it matters when you are pouring because you shouldn't have water in the plastic. The heat is what melts the salts down not the plastisol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawfish Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 The cargil alberger salt we use is a coarse flack salt. Cargil also has a water solution based salt that is used by the ky.dept. of fish and game for hatching fry. You can pick this type salt up from any southern states dealer. You still have to stirr the plastic but both work great. Hope this helps. Thanks, Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 If any of ya'll sell your salted lures, are you at all worried about the patent thing since it's been prosecuted before? Just curious before I create my "magic" formula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Seeing this was lost how about seeing what others have come up with as far as salt they use and how much salt they use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 I've tried several different salts. Regular salt, water softner salt, sea salt. Haven't tried popcorn salt; couldn't get my mind around butter flavor,lol. I use pickling salt and I flour it. This is what works for me. Matter of fact the picture of the black and yellow Grumpy in the gallery is done with this salt. I think the whole thing comes down to what works for you and what you are trying to achieve with your baits. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 I use diamond crystal salt. The amount I use is 1.5 TBS. per 4 oz. of plastic. The weight of my sticks are apprx. 11.8-12.1. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Thanks Nova, I am tring for the fall rate of yamies but with more translucent. Hey saint do you grind it or use it the way it is ? Can you get it at local stores ? I have some salt coming from ozark as I need to order some glitter so I thought I would give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendo Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 If anyone is interested I have a vendor 2 miles from my house that sells alberger fine flake salt. I am thinking about sending 2-3 10lbs out just send a few bucks for shipping. Let me know if any of you are interested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator Bass Baits Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 You got mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
