Sealing WOOD lures-something different
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 06:19 AM
another vacuum pump style to use would be a ventri style these work off of compressed air.
do you have a drawing or pic of the water aspirator Travis?
Posted 17 April 2007 - 04:26 PM
Ideally you can hook it to your kitchen sink, outdoor faucet etc... A piece of tubing would connect from the side arm to the vacuum chamber. It doesn't take very long and you need to disconnect from the vacuum chamber before shutting the water off or you may suck water into the jar with the baits and sealing agent. Also minimal risk of the vessel imploding (mason jar) so care needs to be taken.
Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:39 PM
Yeah thanks Travis, I see it now, pretty simple, all we need is some water and a bit of hose, forget the pump- Good lateral thinking here. pete
Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:38 AM
Is it possible to do this with linsed oil to get the oil deeper into the wood? I use oil to impregnate my lures to get them durable,but not with the vacuum technique.
Posted 18 April 2007 - 07:33 AM
"Jarral" can't see why not, I would warm the oil too, so it is as thin as possible, should penetrate further. Hold it under the oil (see drawing), vacuum through a one way valve in the hose/pipe and leave it for 10 minutes or 10 hours and see how you go. The more air you can get out over time, should give more penetration. When the bubbles stop coming out of the wood, suck it again. You can only try it. Lots of great ideas for vacuuming in this post, as you see from these guys, you don't need an electric pump setup like I made. The oil or primer will only penetrate when the vacuum is removed, then outside air pressure, (I think it is about 7 lbs in your language- 1 Bar in ours) will force the liquid into the wood. Not sure where the limit is with penetration (there must be one), but a good test would be wood stain, vacuumed, against just applied to the same wood type. If only we could get all these heads in one workshop. pete
Posted 27 December 2007 - 08:38 AM
Wood workers use vacuum bag systems for veneering. You should be able to find a system on a wood working supply site that will work for this.
I imagine you could put the lure jar, with a hole in the top for the air to escape, into one of the bags and it would work.
They work off a compressed air venturi pump system, so your air compressor will do the trick for making the vacuum.
Posted 27 December 2007 - 11:21 AM
Some great ideas being shared here but it seems to me that if you are going to go to the trouble of building pumps, buying vacuums, etc., then you may as well just change what you are building the lures from. Cut the lures out of one of the many plastics on the market or just mold the lures from a foam or 2-part plastic and be done with it.
If you are really worried about water getting to the wood, do as many others are on the board and use your clear coat as the sealer.
Posted 27 December 2007 - 11:26 AM
Exactly Jed! At some point you destroy the characteristics of the wood that make it desirable for lure building, in an effort to make it virtualy waterproof
Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:22 PM
Yes, I'm thinking you are right here, I spend more time lately making machines than I do making lures and am currently working on that TEST TANK, can't help myself. pete
Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:29 PM
Problem/puzzle solving is fun. I think that's a big part of why I love bass fishing, figuring out what the fish are doing, where they are, and how to catch them.
Same thing with lure making, lure paintiing, machine/jig making, anything that's new and interesting.
Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:36 PM
Mark, I thought it was just me.
Pete, good luck with the tank, can't wait to see the results.
Posted 28 December 2007 - 07:52 PM
Thanks for the idea. What type of sealer are you using?
Posted 28 December 2007 - 08:47 PM
Yes I have to agree that all the testing and new ideas are half the fun,but some of them require a little more engineering mind than I have.My future son in law is at Alabama now studying to be an electrical engineer,maybe he needs to change his major to mechanical or something a little more geared to lure design so he can help me with some of the terminology and descriptions you all use here.I usually read one of these posts and it takes me another 30 min to figure out what some of you are saying,but like I said thats half the fun...Robert
Posted 29 December 2007 - 12:17 AM
Robert, you are just going to have to ask questions.
Engineers tend to get caught up in their own little world were everyone understands. Explaining is not our strong suit.
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Posted 29 December 2007 - 01:00 AM
MadisonW1 – I am currently using my own brew of Propionate and I am just dipping them, usually about 3 coats. I use a pretty hard wood (Kauri Pine) compared to balsa, so I feel it only has to be sealed, not amour plated, but this summer should test it out (44 C in Perth the other day, a long way from here but that’s 111 F) , if they are not up to scratch these temps will make the finish blister.
Something I should mention also on ‘blistering’, I have in the past found, that if all the coatings –primers/sealers/paints/fixers are not completely dry/set before the finish/clear coating and it does not matter what coating you use, as soon as the temperature rises above your average (especially if you made the lure in winter) the paints, primers etc start to gas off again and will lift any finish coat due to the build up in pressure under the clear coat. I would think this would defiantly have been mentioned in previous posts, but thought I would mention it anyway, as there is nothing worse than finding your pride and joy has turned into a balloon in your tackle box.
Saying all this I usually only let my coatings dry overnight, instead of probably a week, but these are the risks we take. pete
Posted 29 December 2007 - 12:43 PM
I'm not sure what Propionate is. Is there a commercial brand similar to this?
Posted 29 December 2007 - 01:46 PM
Madison - If you do a search, there is heaps of info on it, you will notice "Sweede" comes up a lot , i think he still supplies it.pete