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Whats more important, paint or action ?
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Posted 16 September 2007 - 01:54 PM
I made my first striper plug about 20 years ago because i tripped into a really strange old wood musky plug that didn't swim at all, then i fooled around with different hooks and removed unnecessary hooks that hung up when i cast on windy days, i found the action so good i kept it a secret for 10 years. i only made 3 plugs and swam for them when i snagged them. By the time i lost the last one there was no paint left and the origional paint job was only 4 colors of krylon and a marksalot. Now that i sell plugs the buyers are driving me crazy with describing what colors they want. As i use up all my patence for for catching fish i find myself being rude to the So. Cal. tweaker bass guys. My question to you guys is do you spend more time making your plugs swim right or do you consentrate more on the way it looks. I do admire all the stunning artwork in the gallery especially for your personal baits.
Posted 16 September 2007 - 02:51 PM
IMO, both are factors and action is more important to fish. Yes, color is also important to fish some/most of the time but action is important all the time. However, paint is obviously more important to fishermen. So, if you're selling to fishermen......
I think the only way you'll supercede the color-consciousness of fisherman is to develop such a high rep among fishermen that they'll buy anything you build.
Posted 17 September 2007 - 03:24 AM
What do WE look for in our ladies - """""Action""""" or Paint? Pete
Posted 17 September 2007 - 03:36 AM
Paint peels, but the wobble just keeps getting better!
Posted 17 September 2007 - 06:21 AM
You said a mouthful Smirkplug! As a designer and builder, my true joy is creating unique action. Yeah, I like giving them everything I have when it comes to painting and durability--I know what I want them to look like in the water, and I want to enhance the lure's apppeal as best I can with paint, etc, but I love and live for taking them to the water to see what they'll do!
The majority of anglers look at a particular production lure and only see color as making it different from others of its ilk, although guys who live to throw hardbaits daylight to dark know better. The proliferation of soft plastics today is much to blame for all the attention given to color, where all Brand X and model Z lures look and perfom the same times-a-zillion and their colors are the only difference...then fishermen begin looking at hardbaits the same way.
At the end of the day, I want to be fishing the best (through its action) attracting and favorably stimulating lure whose color fullfills the requirements set forth by the fish, because of the water conditions, and the predominant forage that the fish are utilizing at that particular time. And another point to consider is that the lure's profile or silouhette, regardless of color can be a major factor in its effectiveness. Put another way, I want the best action...that looks the best to the fish, of which, color is one aspect. I don't consider it to be an either/or proposition where looks and action are concerned.
Posted 17 September 2007 - 07:34 AM
Personally I believe that paint schemes have been emphasized entirely too much in most cases.....but I'm sure in clearer water they certainly make a difference. Around here we don't have that problem too often. Most of our baits that wind up as blemished usually goes into my box and occasionally a freinds. Paint plus action usually determines the selling factor but I would believe action would lead to productivity and thats what would be the main point of producing a bait. .........but it sure helps if their PURTY:drool:
Posted 17 September 2007 - 11:15 AM
Action for the fish to bite, paint to make the fisherman bite.
Posted 17 September 2007 - 07:05 PM
As a wise man told me shape dictates action so shape is the most important thing about a bait, he also theorized Contrast is the second most valuable feature then overall color.
Posted 18 September 2007 - 07:17 AM
Once I hooked a fish (also lost it) when it was very late in the evening, it was dark already, I could barely see the profiles of the trees above me over the black sky. Could that fish see anything of the crankbait in the water, since I could barely see above it?
Action is the most important of all.
Posted 19 September 2007 - 01:32 AM
I am surprised a tackle making forum can have so many that go for action and just discounts color as the inferior factor.
I'd say both, else why do i bother to paint the lures i make?
Put it another way; I'm making my own lure to improve my catching ability, so why would i not put in all the catching criteria that would help me? Even catching the fisherman has a psychological effect that will give him more confidence to fish that lure harder, lure in water longer = more probability of it catching a fish.
So I say both and would add a 3rd -- carved details too
Posted 19 September 2007 - 02:24 AM
LaPala, why don't you speak out what you think, as a lure maker who sells them?
Lure in the water longer = more probability of loosing it, driving the angler crazy about buying same lure again?
Posted 19 September 2007 - 03:10 AM
rofish, I haven't been selling my lures yet but when I do I'll keep that in mind
Posted 19 September 2007 - 03:30 AM
Then what is your science used for? I think that if I had 25% of your knowledge in making lures, I would become rich
Posted 19 September 2007 - 04:50 AM
I hope that you do not misunderstand me. I would never be able to build up a business out of such activity. So I am happy if I can catch a fish with one of my lures. But I do envy you for your science.
Back to the thread itself, it seems that the majority has decided: focus on the action, if you want to catch fish.
Posted 19 September 2007 - 05:21 AM
It's for the satisfaction of knowing the why your lure is doing something.
I'll still have to add, built a killer action then paint it so you'll attract the fish even more. I still insist all the factors go hand in hand for that holy grail we are all looking for. Cramp in every detail and advantage u can will always be my principle for building the next lure. This is exactly what DIY should be make it better that production stuff cause we do not have to think about the time & $$ involved, no bottom line to take care off. Ours is just to have fun and catch fish better.
Posted 19 September 2007 - 05:27 AM
One more thing;
Ever been out fishing with friend and both of you are using the same type of lure just different color patterns. Can you explain why a particular color pattern will either catch more or the only color catching them?
This happen a lot to me. On a trip someone catches the first fish, the 1st question asked will be, "What color?" Changing never fails me. Even if i just change to the same color on a different type of lure.