[Blades and Baits]

My dad was a firearms dealer. He passed away 2 years ago and I inherited all his guns. Thank God Dad had a few tricks up his sleeve.
Many of these guns were documented but there are just as many in his private collection that were not. I had to go through alot of red tape to keep all the firearms I inherited that were documented but it was worth it.

I have enough unregistered firearms and amunition to hold off a small army.When they come for them (and they will someday) they may get most of them but not all. It may not happen in my lifetime but I can assure you it will happen in my son's lifetime (he is 6 yrs old) if he lives to a normal age.

They will keep amending and keep amending until eventually,they get rid of the second amendment. The day that happens the Uninted States will become a dictatorship as delw said. This is a very serious matter and not to be taken lightly. I fear that with the younger generations it becomes less and less important.

Like Spike, I to served this great country we live in to defend the rights of every citizen here and abroad. I laid my ass on the line more than once for that very cause. No One owes me a debt, I did it because I felt it was my duty.
If I am alive and able, I will defend my right to bear arms and protect my family to the end. If the Sh?t ever breaks loose, anyone is welcome to come and bear there arms at my farm.If you are against the second amendent, then you would not be welcome. You will have to fend for yourself.

Good Reply KC and bryan_va
God Bless You All and God Bless This Great Nation!
Regards,
B&B

[Dean McClain]

When I was a kid, 80% of the population in this country was rural...Now it has flip-flopped, with only 20% living in rural areas. To most of that rural 80%, firearms were simply a part of the everyday culture,,,I never took off for a day in the woods and pastures without some kind of gun, just in case I crossed paths with a rabid animal or a pack of wild dogs. Unfortunately, most kids today grow up without that sort of natural indoctrination. Guns were simply tools one used in a rural lifestyle, and most kids today don't have that same opportunity to learn about and respect firearms as a way of life. It is just in my lifetime that this unfortunate change has occured in the history of this country; and I fear the consequences of political propaganda in a culture that continually becomes more and more out of touch with that way of life that included firearms as part of an outdoor experience that has become completely alien to so much of today's youth.

Dean

[Spike-A-Pike]

Dean,
I grew up on a dairy farm and like you, there was a .22 cal in the milk house, a .30-30 in the mud room, and I'm not even sure how many rifles and shotguns were around. We grew up with firearms & respect for both firearms and adults. It's as if the very definition of firearm has changed from a hunting rifle to a semi-automatic handgun over night.

Living only minutes from East St.Louis, IL, I have seen first hand the threatening gestures of young people with large bore pistols by the casinos. I wish that you didn't hear of thugs breaking into a house and robbing someone at gun point. However, another trend becoming more common on this side of the Mississippi is people shooting at uninvited visitors... by the way, call ahead for an invitation, if you know what I mean.

Boy Scout summer camps used to teach the hunter safety course in addition to the rifle shooting merit badge. As part of "We the People", we need to take the time to help make a difference in developing our youth into model citizens. Ditto Dean, we need that way of life that included firearms as part of an outdoor experience that has become completely alien to so much of today's youth.

Now that I've got some of that off my chest, I'll thank you for letting me vent and step down from the soap box,

[Travis]

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Australian Guns Stats

I know many will chime in of course the article is proganda that the other side uses to dispell the truth.

Ok I own guns, have always owned guns and am completely against gun control. However the fear tatics used by both sides to support the claims is horrendous. Many things have changed since the good ole' days and at some point many will have to face the fact that the fear and paranoia, both reality and percieved, used during the cold war no longer exists. Unfortunately this fear has molded many previous generations and continues on.

Do any of us truely believe that the USA will turn on its citizens and exterminate us? Do you believe that another country will take us over (if we don't have guns) and then exterminate us?

[Brian_Va]

Do any of us truely believe that the USA will turn on its citizens and exterminate us? Do you believe that another country will take us over (if we don't have guns) and then exterminate us?

Travis,
I'm an optimistic realist, and I not trying to flame you on this, but rather deliver to you a perspective. I agree that numbers are often distorted, but I know in my heart of hearts that America is plain hated. Not only that, but we are highly divided. We are comprised of many walks of life who frequently disagree on politics and religion. I have neighbors and family who are far left, and their views scare me about how much government needs to be in my living room regulating every aspect of life. This takes us right back to pre 1776 when the King's army did as they pleased in America.

I know in my heart that are foreign powers just waiting for an opportunity to take a shot at us. I know there are people within our society salivating at the idea of disarming America. they have secret political views and agendas, we all do.

I once met a woman, I told her I drove an F250, and she went nuts on me with hate and venom. She proclaimed nobody needs a vehicle like that! I explained to her why I have it and it pacified her for the moment. There are people in America who belong to the nazi party, the communist party, socialist, and religious zealots. Picture an unarmed America, that doesn't guaranty police protection. Or worse, picture an America with extreme political views laying in wait. Whatever is on your mind, just fast forward the tape and envision the outcome.

Do any of us truely believe that the USA will turn on its citizens and exterminate us?

History- read about Sherman's march through the south. Employed by the central governing body of the time to WIN the war between the states, he said in regards to his own family and neighbors(for all intent and purpose). Spoken from American lips about America people.


"This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war."


"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over."

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will."



There is a new left in America, not like the Trumans of this world, but a more sinister breed. They want real big government run by a new class of people with visions of a real Pol Pot styled utopian society which just happens to run the worlds biggest and most powerful military. Unlike the democrats of yesteryear these people seek a whole new agenda of control. Look at the laundry lists of the political left these days. Franklin D Roosevelt and Harry Truman are probably rolling over in their graves.

I think we the people have to be ultra fearful of those who align themselves with the communist party and bring to the table nationalized elements such as ID's, health care, and gun control OR resending the right to keep and bears arms. Nationalism scares me, Hitler was a national socialist (Nazi).

I make no attempts to justify the political right. And I often find them just as guilty. I see an America today that 30 40 50 years ago would have been intolerant of todays standards. the states are collapsing, you can leave liberal Maryland for Utah, but if Utah is under the same federalization where do you stand?

Not only do I believe that America is ticking time bomb of political views, I believe that given half a chance certain people in government today would be more than happy to send out their choice troops for a realistic disarming and set in motion a realistic totalitarian central government. Somewhere in America today sits a person, who is fantasizing about Pol Pot's Cambodia in America, or a religious zealot dreaming of exterminating all the Christians. I know there are people who firmly believe the following: if we could just rid the country of all the Republicans we could finally have our perfect society. And the only thing that stands between them implementing their freaky ideals is the gun.

This court case will be the deciding factor in how far they can go, before some nut job makes that fateful ascension to power. Every dictator in history always knew on thing- there will no assertion of my power and ideas until I disarm the populous at large. In Sept 1939 the world found out just how much you can't trust a government who disarms it's people first. Despite all his big claims about the fate of Germany, as soon as Hitler disarmed and dis empowered the Jews, he exterminated them.

I now humble myself and quietly, step down from my soapbox

Brian

[6_feet_deep]

A few quotes...

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state." ~Thomas Jefferson

"As long as there are guns, the individual that wants a gun for a crime is going to have one and going to get it." ~Ronald Reagan

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" ~Patrick Henry

"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun." ~Patrick Henry

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." ~Richard Henry Lee

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions." ~Samuel Adams, Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788

"The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. ~James Madison

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.’’ ~George Mason

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest.’’ ~Mahatma Ghandi

"We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.’’ ~Abraham Lincoln

"...for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion." ~Alexander Hamilton

Some Factual Humor:

Doctors:
-The number of physicians in the US is 700,000
-The number of accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000
-The number of accidental deaths per physician is 0.171

Statistics courtesy of the US Dept. Of Health & Human services

Guns:
-The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, 80 million)
-The number of accidental gun deaths per year, of all age groups, is 1,500.
-The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188

Statistics courtesy of the US FBI


SO, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR. Please alert your friends and family to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of control!

PS

Out of concern for you all I have withheld the statistics on lawyer for fear the shock would cause you to panic and seek medical attention...

Remember:
Guns don't kill people, doctors do.

[PaulWW36]

As an Englishman (and proud of it !) I read all your comments with mixed feelings, although I respect without hesitation your rights as a democracy you do make some strange comments.
You seem to be under the impression that without firearms you will live in some kind of Stallinist dictatorship, this is simply not true, we manage without firearms ( although admittedly we do have our fair share of gun crime!) and we are one of the most liberal democracies going.
Although I agree with your constitutional rights (based on our Magna Carta although we didnt get the 'right to bear arms' bit.!) the only question I have is how do you justify automatic weapons and having lots of weapons just to defend your home.
The problem you have is convincing everybody that gun crime is not the guns fault its the idiot behind it !

[Brian_Va]

Paul, you have brought up an interesting point, and I don't wish to start a heated debate with you or the UK. But, if you read our Constitution and Bill of Rights, you will find they revolve almost entirely around the British law of the time. And thats not saying we condemned Britain then or now. "No taxation without representation" was a slogan, a war cry. But far from the reason. It boiled down to basic human rights. If you review British law prior to 1776 you begin to see real tyranny. Who the heck wants to live like that? To this day British law is very different from ours. We would never tolerate cameras on every street corner being owned and operated by police, or having to pay for a license just to join the BBC website, we get in to it for free here. We don't pay television tax either. When you live life such as we do here, you better appreciate the freedom you have here, and the the teeth of common man to keep it.

Our forefathers knew we would never keep it unless we could always equate our power with the central government. There would always be balance in the system.

As for machine guns- rubbish, as you folks say. Automatic weapons are so highly regulated here by the fed gov that only serious collectors who are willing to pay the price for them, have them(and some very high end criminals). That means registering it with BATF, paying an expensive tax just for the license (per weapon), and allowing random inspection of your home for proper storage. The weapon has to be kept in a vault, ammo separated in a different vault. All this crap you see about America gun violence is entirely Hollywood and the media. MOST gun violence in America is carried out with cheap disposable weapons that have limited capacity, and anytime an above standard firearm is use.. oh boy we hear allllll about it.

This argument this week is about whether or not we have a right to so much as own a firearm of any kind. Wars have been started over much less. The courts decision either closes the book on an old question and we carry on, or, it opens the gate for a flood of gun grabbing, civil unrest and hostilities.

[PaulWW36]

Brian, please dont think I was being in the slightest bit derogatory ! You have to remember we tend to mostly hear the bad things that happen over there !

[Brian_Va]

no no no... I knew better, Paul. And I know the world gets all the crap and nearly nothing else from our media, "freedom of the press" has not always been a good thing.

BTW- how ironic that a Brit named Paul is a ranking member of my church and delivers his "Britishisms" to us each week, funny guy.