[prochallenger]

I think people should practice what they preach,b benton for one,he started on this site asking questions and now hes got this attitude,If you have nothing to say to help someone I say dont say anything,Let someone who is willing to help do so instead of being rude and ugly,this isnt about choosing sides,its supposed to be about helping other talking hobbiest,helping others,get it!The reason this site was started,not to ridicule people for asking questions,get real everyone.

[prochallenger]

Thats tackle hobbiest.

[mark poulson]

I think prochallenger is right.
I don't think anyone who has posted on this thread means anything they post as a personel attack. But some of the posts can read that way.
I know it took some of you a long time to get where you are, and to learn what you know. I'm 60, and have been a carpenter for over 40 years. It took a long time to get where I got, but now I am a good carpenter. It's what I was meant to do. And I love to teach others what I know. Hoping they get as much satisfaction from the work and craft as I do.
And I can see in reading what others post here that the guys (and, maybe, gals) who are really good at lurecraft seem to take the same joy in sharing what they know.
So let's not lose what makes this forum different and special.
No elitist cliches, no attitudes, no egos, just info and learning and fun. And friendship.
When I came on here less than a year ago, all I was looking for was how to replace a friend's lure that I had borrowed and broken.
Instead, I found a great bunch of people.
Over the short time I've been visiting here, I've learned so much and made some great online friends.
And I spend a lot more time in the garage, working with wood, instead of in the house, working with beer.
Oh well, I guess everything has it's tradeoffs! :O)
Seriously, I hope we don't lose that great attitude, and let this site degenerate into a "whose right" type of situation that turns people, old and new, completely off.

[Crimson_Death216]

Here's a quote that I've heard a lot growing up, "Smart people ask questions". I remember when I joined this site, I was totally new at every aspect of this trade. I asked some questions, and then I started PM'ing VMan with A LOT of questions, and he answered all of them quite well. Now, I'm not saying go ask VMan all your questions. I'm saying I know when I was new to this site I ask a **** load of questions and never got put down or told to go try until you fail and then come back. That is the reason I tried to answer loco's question, I'm trying to give back some of what I've learned, and I think THAT is what this site is about, not trial and error until you're stuck.

[Vodkaman]

It is a shame that this thread has taken such a dive. The guy asked a simple question and immediately, the thread went off at a tangent. As a result, we missed the opportunity to convert a plastics guy to the joys of hard bait manufacture.

I never read Benton’s post as a derogatory or negative in attitude. Hell, I hate being told to ‘go suck it and see’ or ‘go burn some firewood’, I don’t mind saying, I was furious when these comments were made to me twelve months ago. I read Benton’s comment as encouragement to ‘have a go’ and see if you can figure it out, as part of the pleasure of design is solving the problems. I even gave a hint as to the direction that I would have taken. No one ever suggested that the information should not be given.

Another issue that was skirted upon, in this threads journey through the bowels of TU, was the moral intellectual rights of the original designer. I say moral, as the actual design is probably not protected, but if his design is used, he should at least get some credit for his problem solving skills. The suggestion made, to contact the original designer for information etc was a good one.

I was disappointed when Loco took umbrage and announced his return to the plastics forum, never to visit the hard baits ever again. I PM’d my thoughts to him with an apology for my part in this mess, to which he sent me a very nice reply.

Every time this issue comes to the table, it is always highly emotive and we never seem to learn from the outcome. My philosophy is to help people. Orion, thanks for those nice words, We must have exchanged fifty PM’s and e-mails, it felt good to help. A lot of the stuff that I write is difficult to understand. I am always happy to clarify points or answer other technical questions by post or PM, generally, this work gets priority over everything else, quite often I learn a great deal during this process.

I really hope that we can put this one to bed and start solving some of the easier problems that plague the lure designer, like world peace!

[hazmail]

Well put Dave. pete

[CRANKBAIT]

This appears to be simply a conflict of teaching and learning styles. Good intentions may come across as rude and abrasive to some. Some folks learn from seeing pictures, or trial and error, while others need a step by step recipe. When you cannot see the body language the door of misunderstanding is left open.

We should be able to ask any dumb lure question we want and have it answered in a kind and thoughtful manner. The teacher is held to a higher standard of responsibility.

You guys are great! Keep up the good work.

[Crimson_Death216]

No problem Dave, I think I still have most of those e-mails. probably always will.

[LedHed]

Great another hijacked thread.......................

Need to get back to "how to make these".

[Swede]

Make the lure cut a slot vertically in tail seal slot glue in the tail & you´re done
You can also put a nail or 2 horizontally in the tailpart of the lure
Its pretty obvious to me if you look at the picture