[Luretrekker]

Ok then I understood you right ;-) I didn't tried those flat tails so much like it is at the "Damler" but I can imagine the effect you speak of. My bananas got almost always a more round shaped cross section at the tail, so I don't have the real experience with the difference. But in the belly region I modeled the cross section very wide and oval in some lures. I think it enhances an agressive X-action, because drag is reduced by sliding to the sides.

[diemai]

@ Luretrekker
At the beginning of my luremaking carreer I made some real srange looking lures , also with flat tails , many of them did not work .

So I learned it the hard way , but as I look at it from a present point of view , all of these disappointments back then have their benefits for me today .

I am of your opinion as well , that a flat center section enhances that "X"-action , since not as much sideward resistance of the lurebody against the water occurs .

greetz , Dieter

[rofish]

OK, I got your ideas, so thanks Germany.
But Diemai, why do you need a rather flat tail anyway, in your bananas, since you say that you have less chances to play with the action? So if a wider tail section (and not a taller than wider, as it goes for usual crankbaits) will make the lure flip over, then why do you need a wide tail section for?

[Luretrekker]

@ Diemai,

yes those are true words...you just can learn from a failed lure. I built a lot of strange looking lures too... and not all were a success in their action ;-)
For example once I tried to build a jointed banana...this lure never worked very well at all.

There are things one has to try...and sometimes error.

[diemai]

@ rofish

There are lures around with flat tails , and these do not neccessarely make EVERY lure to flip over !

When writing these previous posts about flat tails , I was refering to the shape of Luretrekkers design exclusively !

A "Swimwhizz" , for example , has a flat tail portion , but does not flip over !

Why ?

It does not have a curved body and also has a rather small diving bill , at a rather high angle in relation to lures center axis(pointing more downward , not forward) .

You need to understand , that there are so many features about different lureshapes(straight or curved) , lip sizes and angles , weight of lures and balance weights and a few more , that don't come to my mind right now .

All of these have an impact on the lures action and general performance , and in many cases one can not easily predict about them , so I just try it out , since I do not run any high point computer design program , that does everything for me !

And I don't need a flat tail on my "Bananas" , I only raised this subject to try to explain about the dynamics of such lures , since you have obviously asked for it !

[diemai]

@ Luretrekker

Often cracked my brain about a jointed one as well , but never started out so far , I know , that its gonna be headache , possibly !

But I own two commercial jointed "Bananas" , one "Flatfish" and one minor quality no-name lure , that I bought on a fleamarket the other day for little money , rather more to study it than to fish with it .

That one's front section looks like a modern plastic "Lazy Ike" , the rather short rear section has a small , unsymetrical fin , looking quite similar to a shark's tail .

If I should still make a jointed one in future , I'd put it into this shape , I like this fin design !
Maybe , if the lure would be made large and buoyant enough , on a slow retrieve this fin would cause a nice wake on the surface ????

just dreamin' (or not?) , Dieter

[Luretrekker]

This lure sounds interesting. Do you have a picture that you could mail me?
Dream or not...this is what makes lurebuilding interesting...having new ideas for new projects :-)

[diemai]

@ Luretrekker

Hi , Manu , I'm gonna post the pics here in about 10 to 12 hours from now(if I could find the lures) , won't go down the basement anymore at night , just relaxing after lateshift !

until then , Dieter

[Luretrekker]

That would be great...but don't haste

[diemai]

@ Luretrekker

Good morning , Manu ,

Sorry , but I could not find the jointed "Flatfish" (one day I surely will !) , but I guess your focus of interest is upon that other lure with the "shark's tail" , anyway .

Well , here it is , you can determine about its size by the background squared paper , each square is 1/5 " (5mm) .

The diving plane ahead of the tow eye is slightly cupped , may not be too visible on the pics !

Greetz , Dieter