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Old August 20th, 2008
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Re: Help on color mix

Hey, my 98 PD-19 may not be beautiful anymore but it will still chine walk with the best of 'em with a Merc EFI on it! BTW, is that an EVINRUDE on the back of Moby Dick? Ha ha ha ha
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Old August 21st, 2008
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Gold/brown - basecoat with Polytranspar #422 Warm Gold Pearl acrylic and then shoot Createx Transparent Light Brown over it until you get the shade wanted.

I'm not a big fan of trying to exact match factory colors since they are usually lacquers and dyes, not acrylic which is the only paint I'll shoot. I think most of the hues you are looking for are easier to do with transparent and not opaque acrylics. For me, shooting transparent color over an opaque color is easier than trying to mix opaques to get a particular shade, and the layered colors will have more depth and look more "alive". You can also layer transparent colors over one another for different color values and translucency. Createx sells transparents in just about all their standard colors.

Another example is bright metallic gold. Shooting transparent yellow Createx over silver foil yields a bright reflective gold. I like it because I can't apply real gold leaf worth a darn and nothing else I've tried comes close.

Great post Bob!

I think you've nailed the essence of the techniques that all of us who shoot acrylics learn to achieve for our best finishes. I've said before that the perceived depth of finish is maybe the best characteristic of acrylic paints, and manipulating the transparents is the key.

Right on about the foil thing also--and there are other transparents when shot over foil that really come to life in an almost shocking manner.

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Casper the BROWN Ghost.. is what I call it!

1. Transparent brown..
2. Gem Jade..

Dont know if Im right Charlie..... Only guessing... But I think the Jade will give you the Green and Gold your looking for with the brown!!! Im really just feeding you a line of crap that I think will work I really havent ever tried it!!! ! Im not 100 percent sure!!! More like 50/50.. but you might come up with a new color you like even better in the long run!!!

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1. Green
2. Gold
3. Brown

Layers! until you get the Greenish gold browish look your lookin for... if that doesnt work.. bring your bait over and we can figure it out together..
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Re: Help on color mix

I ended up with a bait I am happy with but by no means matches the LC Ghost Minnow color. I haven't found Polytranspar #422 Warm Gold Pearl acrylic that BobP referenced. But I did more layering and less pre mixing and got the bait pretty much how I wanted it.

Not sure if everyone has seen LC Ghost Minnow but one thing I didn't do on my final bait was to use two seperate color versions of the translucent pearlescent clear. When I and my color consultants (kids) look at the original it seems the top part of the baits have a bluish silver quality and below the lateral line they have a purplish color with the small amount of white pearl and flake on the belly.



I used only the purplish version (although I have created both) for the translucent color. Not sure if everyone has tried creating this color or not but I am going to tell you how I do it.

I use Createx Translucent Base and mix in Pearl Ex Pigments, in this case 673 Interference Violet. Now I almost can't believe I am writing this. If you have not tried these products, you need to! You can pearlize ANY COLOR and they have a number of selections from which you can create a myriad of colors.

And if I could see all of their pigment color choices in person I believe I could create the LC color fairly close. They have more than just Pearl Pigments and the company also sells dyes. So... at some point I will get more and play.

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Hey, my 98 PD-19 may not be beautiful anymore but it will still chine walk with the best of 'em with a Merc EFI on it! BTW, is that an EVINRUDE on the back of Moby Dick? Ha ha ha ha
BobP, you know I am just busting your chops! Every boat line has it's good points and weaker points. Legend just has a lot of good points like running down the lake WOT and not having to drive the boat, it will track straight as an arrow! And yes my Moby Dick is powered by a 225 HO ETEC, that I absolutely love!
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Re: Help on color mix

The closest that I have been able to get to any ayu color is spraying either Createx transparent yellow and then a transparent green of your choice. I don't know what it is I have in green...it is one of those "a little of this and little of that" kinda deals. You can even try Createx Pearl Satin Gold instead of the trans yellow. Then, I follow up with a light coat of Createx Transparent Dark Brown over the back to taste. Last, I follow up with a polytranspar irradescent green spray over the back. Looks pretty good. I think that the main thing is to go with a yellow or gold underneath the trans green or brown to get the look you want. The hardest part I had was coming up with a good green. If you have the same problem, mix some bight yellow (non trans) and black for a good olive color. I have found that about 10-12:1 yellow to black is a good place to start. You might want to start with a little less yellow and work your way to the green you want. Here is a pic of one using the scheme I am refering to. I think it was using the mystery green though.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/e...r/100_7418.jpg

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I have a guy at the local auto paint store match the colors for me. Sometimes I can play around and get it right, but I can carry a lure to him and he matches it perfectly for me. Just an option you may want to consider. Hope this helps.
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