[SmokeyJ]

I'm really kicking myself. I was at a tackle show in Indy in February and they quite literally had an entire displays worth of Risebackers in the corner of their area. Was going to grab a couple b/c I had remembered String loving them, but I spent my "show allowance" on a new rod and reel.

[BJ Smith]

Originally Posted by DUCBOS

He advertises here on TU. m_vann01@yahoo.com

Ducbos,
Just to let you know.... I couldn't find any ads here for Mr. Vann....... I have also emailed him with not response as of yet.......

BJ

[LooksLikeSinbad]

Originally Posted by BJ Smith

I couldn't find any ads here for Mr. Vann....... I have also emailed him with not response as of yet.......

me too...

[MTfishingrods]

His Web page is www.vanndalizer.com

[BJ Smith]

Thank You!!

[hazmail]

Back to "Alternative Lipless Crankbait Designs?". I made quite a few of these about 25 years ago - They swam like a lipless lure, with just a bit of action and a bit of a 'hunt' and the lip gave them some depth. The lure pictured is 2" balsa @ about 6 gms, excuse the condition, but it's the only one I could find.
Any thoughts, or experience with anything like this? pete



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[Vodkaman]

Pete, I reallt like it.

When I started exploring the hunting action, I experimented with double lips, but not in the configuration that you are showing. I put both lips parallel, one front and one rear. Even tried the rear lip on the back of the body.

Never got it to do what I wanted though, but the action was plentiful. I will re-visit the idea one day, as I have learned a lot since then.

Even 25 years ago, you refused to sit and think in the box.

Dave

[diemai]

@ hazmail

A very unique and unusual design(I'm always hooked on such , lol) , but I can't really imagine about its action !

Does the water pressure onto the two lips cause the lure to vibrate like those "Ratt' L 'Traps" , "Rattlin' Rapalas" , etc....... ?

And what kinda swimming motion you're refering to with "hunting" action ?
I imagine it to be ocassional sideward darting during a steady retrieve, but I don't know for sure !

greetz , diemai

[hazmail]

diemai/Dave- as I said I made quite a few at the time, but could not get enough action, but seeing now how productive some of the Rapalas etc are, with virtually no action, I am tempted to revisit these.
As you would imagine with these 2 lips, the lure is more a 'hydroplane' with a very slight wobble - because of the hydroplane effect it also tended to get a slight zig-zag (hunting) action, which at the time I thought was undesirable, but now something, we are all looking for.
I did vary the size and angle of the rear lip, which altered things a bit, as you can see the rear lip pictured is about 1/2 the diameter of the front lip. All in all it probably behaved a bit like a lipless crank bait/glider, BUT with some depth (can't remember how deep), I did not weight them, which may also, have been interesting. pete

[diemai]

@ hazmail

Thanks for kind explanation , Pete !

Guess , that I gotta furnish one myself for testing some day , but not much time now , working on another kinda "weird" prototype lure presently !

Greetz , Dieter