[Travis]

Seems to me a lot of new products aren't really that new but just someone decided to make a buck off of them and had the smarts to go the legal route. No problem with that, thats the American way. Yes most are a little different, use slightly different design or material but overall you have the same product. Look at the Lindy No Snagg, I forget the name but the rubber coated lead ball, the old repelling cord/rope with shot stuffed in it etc... Basically we have a free sliding weight system infront of a stop mechanism that has changed the fulcrum point of the system and hopefully has characteristics that doesn't snag as easily, either do to shape, friction, etc... I am almost certain I saw a guy 15 years ago (KY and Barkley lake) regions using a set up similar to the rockhopper, except he had drilled a hole in the top and used a snap swivel, similar to the repelling line photo. Growing up we used drop shotting a lot for crappie and white bass. We used florist tape and fine gauged wire to "position" the hook properly. A few wraps along the shank and then twisted down the line it worked fine. Then they were always selling for crappie, light wire rigs that essentially presented the minnow in a dropshot fashion , your line threaded down a the spiral shaft of the twisted wire and tied onto a weight. As they had twisted the shaft they created short arms horizontal to light wire hooks.

[siebler_custom_baits]

Sweet Rodney those are them, ill have to buy some your reasons look awsome. It would be nice to see some Big EWG ones in heavy wire. We in Socal are dropshotting the bays with reg bass stuff but now are dshotting ocean with as much as 8 oz of weight and fishing big flukes and such.

[rockhopper]

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uote="Travis"]Seems to me a lot of new products aren't really that new but just someone decided to make a buck off of them and had the smarts to go the legal route. No problem with that, thats the American way. Yes most are a little different, use slightly different design or material but overall you have the same product. Look at the Lindy No Snagg, I forget the name but the rubber coated lead ball, the old repelling cord/rope with shot stuffed in it etc... Basically we have a free sliding weight system infront of a stop mechanism that has changed the fulcrum point of the system and hopefully has characteristics that doesn't snag as easily, either do to shape, friction, etc... I am almost certain I saw a guy 15 years ago (KY and Barkley lake) regions using a set up similar to the rockhopper, except he had drilled a hole in the top and used a snap swivel, similar to the repelling line photo.

SImilar is not the same, the Rock Hopper was tested against all the designs you have shown,, NOTHING even came close to it's performance in actual fishing condistions, (the Rig saver is much closer to you examples, except when it does finnaly hang, you only loose your lead) price, or physical size to weight. This thing has an ability none of the others have, it pivots back and forth (when bounching the rod tip) when snagged in a crack, this lets it crawl backwards, up and out of the crack, you can actualy fish rif raff rocks all day Texas and Carolina rigged, on the same weight, it's been done many times, we have west coast pros that fish the same weight every day for weeks before finnaly loosing them, in the rockiest lakes there are, I fished one weight on a waleye fishing trip at Smooth Rock Lake, for 7 days, everyone else on the trip lost a minimum of 5 weights and hooks a day, as we were back troling bouncing the bottom.

Looks and performace are two different things, that's why we have utility patents and then design patents

Growing up we used drop shotting a lot for crappie and white bass. We used florist tape and fine gauged wire to "position" the hook properly. A few wraps along the shank and then twisted down the line it worked fine. Then they were always selling for crappie, light wire rigs that essentially presented the minnow in a dropshot fashion , your line threaded down a the spiral shaft of the twisted wire and tied onto a weight. As they had twisted the shaft they created short arms horizontal to light wire hooks.

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I'm familure with all these, they are NOTHING in performace like the Stand Out hook. SHoot me down all you want, but let thsoe who try my stuff tell you it's not B.S., don't just look at it and say it is.

[rockhopper]

Originally Posted by siebler_custom_baits

Sweet Rodney those are them, ill have to buy some your reasons look awsome. It would be nice to see some Big EWG ones in heavy wire. We in Socal are dropshotting the bays with reg bass stuff but now are dshotting ocean with as much as 8 oz of weight and fishing big flukes and such.

WE had tested the Stand Out over two years ago in deep sea fishing, it had 100% hook ups (they did not loose a single cut bait without catching the fish) " all " fish were top lip hooked, Tooling up for 3/0 thru 10/0 is going to be costly though.

The 8 Oz weights automaticly set the hook due to the lever leg on the hook, as the fish came down on the bait, the weight drove the hook point through.

Drop shotting action on a dead squid, drew a strike instantly, while fishing for snapper and grouper

PS, we were drop shotting deep sea, with the wiggle rig 3 and 1/2 years ago

[Travis]

Not trying to say your products are BS or shoot them down, will avoid this hot topic.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by rockhopper

SHoot me down all you want, but let thsoe who try my stuff tell you it's not B.S., don't just look at it and say it is.

I reread this thread 3 times and I STILL can't see where he shot you down or called your stuff B.S.

He was merely giving his opinion of all of the vast amount of "new" tackle available on an almost daily basis. After the umpteenth commercial on Saturday morning fishing shows and fishing magazines all "new" baits and tackle start to look alike. It's interesting to read back through fishing magazines that are 10, 20 or 30 years old and see all of the "new" tackle from back in the day. Alot of similarities to today's tackle.

It takes a truly innovative and fresh approach to tackle making and marketing to catch most fishermen's eyes these days. Alot of people have a day job in order to live and eat. Most just love to fish and will buy whatever is new out there. Some of us have a love of creating our own tackle and actually catching fish on them!.

By creating I don't necessarily mean inventing. Many of us are satisfied to build our tackle based on existing designs. A few of us will experiment, invent or whatever you choose to call it. The people that participate in this part of tacklemaking are the true innovators. Not the big corps like BPS that will knock off any tackle out there that they think they can make and sell cheaper than the original.

I checked out your DS hooks. Interesting design. I'm going to try them out. I do a lot of DSing on the local ponds. I'll see if they make a difference on hook-ups and report back on the board.

Travis, no need to avoid this topic! That's the beauty of the internet. So long as we're all civil to each other we're allowed to voice our opinion. This board has always been "kinder and gentler". I was always surprised that everyone got along so well, no dissension among the ranks at all. I like to see a little controversy and debate every now and again! Keeps you young.

[snake2375]

what mojo had to say is right, i did not go out to make a mold to sell my weights, but just make it so that i the access to make them on my on. the style of my weights are simialer but not the same as mojo weights, plus i do not have to travel all the way to tackle stores to buy them, or place a order on-line. i also pour other weights i use as in bullet, and egg sinkers and i got those molds from netcraft. so rockhopper since i got your panties into a wad, let me say i am sorry if this up set you. i was tring to make my fishing easier on myself. i also am impressed with your style of hooks.
tight lines and good luck

[rockhopper]

Sorry if you thought I was upset, I wasn't, the original Mojo weight was never patented, now all his new wieghts, either are, or the patant is pending. You can knock off the original design, Bass Pro did, Projo did. You were talking about being thrilled about doing so,, the thrill comes from not making another's mold, but making a mold of your original weight



i was tring to make my fishing easier on myself. i also am impressed with your style of hooks.
tight lines and good luck

Thanks

[texasbass1]

Rodney,
I have fished your standout hooks and they make dropshotting a breeze. And you are right about the hook ups, the fish hook themselves. I don't dropshot a lot but when I do I only use your hooks.

[rockhopper]

Originally Posted by texasbass1

Rodney,
I have fished your standout hooks and they make dropshotting a breeze. And you are right about the hook ups, the fish hook themselves. I don't dropshot a lot but when I do I only use your hooks.

Thanks, but you know I can't leave well enough alone, I'm wotking to close another licensing deal,, on another device so you can use any hook. I sent them a contract yeasterday,, I hope they wil agree to my terms. This actualy lets the hook freely rotate up nd down but not side to side, more action, more bites, still 100% hook ups. The salt water aplications are huge.

You just snap on any hook you desire,, I even have a shoter version than these