[Zib]

A musky guide that I know had a musky casting rod built that starts with the guides on top but as they go toward the rod tip they go under the rod & the guide at the tip ends up being on the bottom side of the rod like on a spinning rod. Has anyone ever made a rod like this? What do you guys think of a rod built this way?

[Crimson_Death216]

What is the reason for that? I can't think of a good reason.

[Sixgun]

That's called an "Acid" wrap, Roberts wrap, or Spiral wrap. terminology just depends on who you talk to.

The purpose as I understand it is to not "torque" the rod when you are fighting the fish. With the guides being under the the blank whichever direction the fish goes it is always "pulling" down on the spine. With the guides on top, as in a conventional casting application, a sideways run will try to force the rod tip to twist.

I'm not sure if one is better than another, but I think an Acid wrap looks kinda cool.

Ray

[Crimson_Death216]

Ohhhh

[Zib]

Originally Posted by Sixgun

That's called an "Acid" wrap, Roberts wrap, or Spiral wrap. terminology just depends on who you talk to.

The purpose as I understand it is to not "torque" the rod when you are fighting the fish. With the guides being under the the blank whichever direction the fish goes it is always "pulling" down on the spine. With the guides on top, as in a conventional casting application, a sideways run will try to force the rod tip to twist.

I'm not sure if one is better than another, but I think an Acid wrap looks kinda cool.

Ray

Ya that's the explination I got from the musky guide. He say's that rod is by far his favorite rod.

[Mattman]

Advantages to spiral wrapping in my opinion…

• Eliminate torque on the blank. With the guides on the bottom the pressure from the fish does not want to twist the blank.
• Fewer guides. Since you don’t need to worry about line scrub when the guides are on the under side of the blank you don’t need to use unnecessary guides just to keep the line from scrubbing the blank while flexed.
• Lighter guides. With the line under the rod you can start using single foot guides much sooner. That’s a pretty good weight reduction in both the guide itself but also the thread and finish.

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All of my personal casting rods are spiral wrapped and I won't own one in any other configuration.

[Spike-A-Pike]

With the quality of modern spinning reels these days and the advantage of having the guides under the rod, I fail to understand the advantages of a spiral wrapped bait caster. Can someone explain it to me?

[SmokeyJ]

Originally Posted by Spike-A-Pike

With the quality of modern spinning reels these days and the advantage of having the guides under the rod, I fail to understand the advantages of a spiral wrapped bait caster. Can someone explain it to me?

Matt explained all the advantages of spiral-wrapped vs. standard baitcaster, so I guess it seems like your question is more along the lines of why use a baitcaster at all when you can just use a spinning reel with the guides on the bottom anyways? I am using a baitcaster for the first time this season, so I don't know, but typically the advantages you hear about are less line twist, handle heavier line better, allow for more accurate casts, and probably other things. Someone else can probably explain it better.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Spike-A-Pike

With the quality of modern spinning reels these days and the advantage of having the guides under the rod, I fail to understand the advantages of a spiral wrapped bait caster. Can someone explain it to me?

1) Right tool for the right job. Baitcasting reels will always have their place and are at times a better option than spinning reels. A casting reel is much more of a winch and easier to retrieve deep diving lures or fish burried in cover. Line twist is something you don't have to worry about. They manage heavier lines much better. Typically less prone to damage. More compact design.

2) Personal preference. Sounds like you prefer spinning. I've got plenty of customers that prefer casting. And I do very light casting rods for them so they can toss tiny 1/16 ounce baits. Seems like a spinning application if I've ever seen one, but the customer insists on a casting rod.

[bemidjibasser]

There are a bunch of good explanations on rodbuilding.org just type in spiral wrap or acid wrap as Mattman said and you will find a ton of info. I also will not build another rod with guides on top for my self again. As far as bass applications, it is not extremely noticable as far as torque elimination, but it is there. If you are after big toothy critters, I would strongly recommend a spiral wrap, for the above mentioned reasons.