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Mathematical modeling and pure science of lure design
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Posted 11 May 2007 - 01:44 PM
I guess that is why we are always outside the box? Finding that unique design that makes the bait we make sooooooooo special. I can't argue the point that the "new age" of design is here, but it will still come down to manual tweaking to get that bait special......
Posted 12 May 2007 - 02:27 PM
Well I 2nd everyones thoughts here Cause I dont have a clue about lure making.. I am just a painter... wish I could make them.. But.. I did mess up a lucky craft pointer.. Lip broke on me when I tried a new stripper to take paint off.. wasnt good... I cried for a few mins..ok maybe I cried for a few days.. then I remember my HERO FROM PBS!!! YOU KNOW HIM THAT CRAZY WHITE BOY WITH A AFRO!! BOB ROSS!! He always said their are no mistakes only happy accidents.. So The_Rookie took a broken Lucky craft and a Titan Lip from a team daiwa crankbait.. Basically I put a HUGH CRANKBAIT LIP that dives 25 feet and put it on a Jerkbait.. I didnt measure just dremeled and glued.. Didnt think about vortex or whatever all those big words yall are saying.. I just used Marine Epoxy..Dries Grey takes about 5 hours to harden.. Put three coats on it.. and too it too my neighbors pool without permission.. GUESS WHAT HAPPEN!! IT RAN TRUE AND SINKS LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS... But its the most unquie looking bait I have ever seen and is priceless to me best feeling I have had in years.. It doesnt float because of the heavy lip on the front but baby it goes deep and Runs straight.. So like my boy BOB says no mistakes only happy accident... The Rookie has a custom Lucky Craft Team Daiwa that T.HOG will paint!! Going to call it a CountDown Jerkcrank!!! I will fish this baby in 60 feet water and catch some Tater Hog Stripper this summer with it... Wait and see....As for science I will leave that to you experts.. Like most guys I dont read the directions.. JUST GLUE AND PRAY!! I hated science class anyway..
Posted 13 May 2007 - 08:51 AM
This is how it begins brother, first you're just a part-time lip gluer. Before you know it you're switching components, and telling everyone, "I'm just fixing lures I already have, I can quit anytime I want."
Yeah Rook, we hear you. Denial is the first sign. Then The Wife notices little things missing from her personal stuff. Mascara brushes. Her favorite fingernail polish and fingernail files. The credit card bills; "$1200 at Home Depot? What are you doing out there in that gararge?"
Next thing you know you'll be standing before a room of chain-smoking fidgity folk with dark circles surrounding their hollow eyes, confessing,
My name is The Rookie...I'm a baitbuilder...
Just ask Fatfingers
Posted 13 May 2007 - 06:39 PM
I read this post this morning and have thought on it all day. I don't think that fishing is an exact science and I feel that there is no perfect lure. There are to many variables to calculate.
My best friend and fishing Buddy past away a couple of years ago and he taught me many things. He had fifty years of fishing experience on me and this is what he said " I can throw out a lure and watch one fish run at it, and at the same exact time that the lure hit the water, another fish would run from it."
My neighbor next door told me about some guys that work at his shop and they had an under water camera for sale. They claimed that they were tired of looking at all the fish that wouldn't bite under the ice.
Another thing I wanted to tell you is, what works in one place doesn't work every were. The Worth Co. makes spoons that are lighter than a traditional Dare Devil. This was my starting line up down by Kalamazoo County. When I moved to the UP only one of the half dozen colors I used would catch a fish. I have since found out it is because there are no Carp in the waters in the UP were I fish. Another factor is the water color. This proved to me that color is an important factor.
The barometric presser is a big factor for some fish. My dad would turn the truck and boat around and go home if the cows were all lying down in the field. He proved to me many times that it was almost a waste of time when the barometer is working against you. Fish feel bloated and their strike zone gets smaller.
I have watched two men in the same boat, with the same lure, one with scent on and the other without. The scented lure caught three times the fish over the unscented lure.
I fished a shore line for Bass and practiced catch and release. The next day I took a friend down the same shore line and we never caught a Bass. On the same or any other bait we used that day. If I had not been so successful the day before I would have thought there were no fish in the lake.
I think you need to do it like they did "old school", dream it, build it, fish it.
Building A Fishing Lure is like trying to forecast the weather. It is also a Mathematical impossibility. To many variables to calculate. Good Luck.
Posted 19 July 2007 - 03:00 PM
Great post Vodkaman. I have been absent for quite awhile and while searching for rattles I stumbled onto this thread.
I have been pursueing Smallmouth Bass for about a year and have applied the same passion I had for chasing Walleyes (except I don't eat Smallies, lucky for them). In that regards I have been experimenting with the ultimate Smallie lure.
Now that I fish out of SIKs (Seat inside Kayaks) and SOTs (Seat on top Kayaks) I am quite limited in real estate so to speak. I just don't have the room my old Princecraft had to carry a dozen tackle boxes in order to meet various conditions which could change quite quickly up in North Western Quebec.
I had great fun fishing for Walleyes and am fine tuning some Smallie techniques which are all quite new to myself.
I couldn't agree more with the quote. In order to come up with something new you have to study nature herself. In a Kayak paddling to your honey hole you have lots of time to do just that.
Glad to be back and see the that TU is still a great site.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 12:47 PM
I m reading this post very interestred (bad english from me)...If any of you guys have a scaner and scan the "killer crank" and input the data in a 3D modeling program..what it will come out??
Posted 17 December 2007 - 12:58 PM
I like the not knowing part of lure design I think it adds to the fun of chucking the lure out for the first time.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:42 PM
Yes, this is madness.
Matt reported recently that he'd purchased a cow watering trough to test baits. The truly sad thing is how much I admired him for coming up with the idea.
Everywhere I go, I look for new materials and ways to use stuff for lure building. I look in hardware, plumbing, fabric, household goods, office supplies, restaurant supplies, cleaning supplies, paper products, paint stores, cake decorating stores, and more.
This is not a hobby. Its a disease.
Posted 17 December 2007 - 01:50 PM
tell my about it....just in this morning....drinking coffe at work...and i have seen those littel stick's that they give you at your cafe...i was thinikng...."hmm that shape is a pattern for shapes"...at my ex working place...water base paint that they use to paint the women bags...
just look at a thing.... you will say to yourself: how do i use that at may cranks?
Posted 17 December 2007 - 06:41 PM
How sad we all are. Would somebody pass me another cold frosty bottle of "medicine"? I feel a hangover starting in a few hours...
Posted 19 December 2007 - 07:46 PM
I almost feel funny saying it, but the berkley Frenzy baits are the best and most productive I have ever used. I had one bluegill crank that grabbed nearly every species in a local pond. Very productive with bass, pike and many more. I was very impressed. It may not be perfect but it is damn good!
Posted 19 December 2007 - 08:40 PM
I'm with you Jason.
Great cold weather/water crank. Tight wobble seems to be the ticket for lethargic SoCal bass.
Posted 19 December 2007 - 10:15 PM
Now that I know 3 of people that consider the Berkley Frenzy to be their "Go To Baits" I should revise my prior comments.
New statement for December 19, 2007.
I don't know of anyone that considers the Roland Martin Helicopter Lure to be their "Go To Bait". Soon to be revised