Rippinlips26 Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 I'm new to the game. Been hand pouring using old baits when I have the time for about 2 months. Have P.o.P molds I made how do you do two different color on a hand pour mold? And also, laminate? What and how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 A laminate is a 2 color bait oriented top to bottom (or even side to side)... As opposed to a 2 color bait with, say, a different color tail, which would not be a laminate Laminates in a one piece mold are fairly simple, pour one color then pour the other.. Just gotta get timing and temperature right or they won't bond well.... I pour my 2nd color before the 1st color completely hardens, and a little hotter... I get a little bleeding of colors, but don't have to worry about baits pulling apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Hot plastic (340+-) on the second pour will always bond, because it melts the first pour, no matter how long it has sat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippinlips26 Posted September 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Thank you! I will get to it then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Mark, you pour that hot in a 1 pc mold?.. Or only 2 pc molds? I like to get that convex top look.. If I pour at or over 320, it shrinks and the top becomes concave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Mark, you pour that hot in a 1 pc mold?.. Or only 2 pc molds? I like to get that convex top look.. If I pour at or over 320, it shrinks and the top becomes concave I do that when I do two or three color laminated 6" swimbaits in a top pour one piece mold, because I found that the first color needs to cool more, or I get a melted/blurred joint line. The first color pour gets a chance to shrink before I go over it with the second color. My second color pour is not as thick as the first, so I get less shrinkage, and I go back and top them off as I pour. I only do two at a time, so I can keep them topped off. By the time I top them off, the plastic has cooled and shrunk some, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 I do that when I do two or three color laminated 6" swimbaits in a top pour one piece mold, because I found that the first color needs to cool more, or I get a melted/blurred joint line. The first color pour gets a chance to shrink before I go over it with the second color. My second color pour is not as thick as the first, so I get less shrinkage, and I go back and top them off as I pour. I only do two at a time, so I can keep them topped off. By the time I top them off, the plastic has cooled and shrunk some, too. Ahhh... Less plastic = less shrinkage I use more plastic on the 2nd color than I do for the 1st, that could be the difference... And I've never tried a 3 color pour, 2 headaches at a time are enough for me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammingjack Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Easy two color to do hand pour, to me is a belly pour. Swim baits have a belly area. I used to pour 6 molds at a time all together would be 24-26 baits. By the time I finished the last belly it was time to pour the rest of the baits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Yeah, it can be a pain doing three. That's why I let my colors cool between coats, so I have time to prep and heat my next color. I add a little heat stabilizer to all the plastics I pour, just a dribble for a cup, so I can take my time and reheat as needed without worrying about overcooking my plastic. I do pay attention to the temps as I heat and reheat. I usually get them all ready ahead of time, and just reheat as needed when I pour. I an a hobby pourer, so I do very limited quantities at any one time. My back tells me when I've poured enough for the day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pourboy bait Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I'm not sure if I'm understanding what you guys are referring to with the 'heat and reheat' comments. But a post I saw at some point said that they heat the pyrex cup up and then put it in a toaster oven to keep. Then proceed to nuke another color. I thought that was great. I have no idea if it works. Or how many colors you can go with. I would think three would be enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRammit Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Toaster oven, hot plate, presto pot... All ways to keep plastic warm.... But not necessary... An occasional "bump" in the microwave will keep temp up to working levels Have to know your microwave well though... And adjust as your cup gets lower I try not to let my plastic "cool" until I'm done with it... Usually a 30 second bump between pours is enough to keep it hot..... Also, placing the cup back in the microwave immediately after pouring slows down the cooling process too, basically a big insulated box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Why I love this site, I was having an issue and think I found my answer Heat stabilizer, I don't have any and need to get some., just pouring for under a month so I'm still learning Always something new to learn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Why I love this site, I was having an issue and think I found my answer Heat stabilizer, I don't have any and need to get some., just pouring for under a month so I'm still learning Always something new to learn I've read here that all the plastisol we use already has heat stabilizer. Heat stabilizer can cause plastisol to yellow, so I only use small amounts, especially on clear baits. How much to use will vary depending on which plastisol you use, too. I just use a dribble, like 1/2 tsp+-, in my Bait Junky's plastisol. I add it to each batch, because I heat a cup at a time, and I do reheat a lot. I'm sure production guys can just use the plastisol as it comes, since they do big runs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apdriver Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 That's how I use the stabilizer, also. Just 8-10 drops after several reheats in a cup or two of plastic. Like Mark, I use Baitjunkys medium, mostly, and with multiple, and I mean multiple reheats, if you keep the temps below 340 or so it just doesn't yellow much. Of course, any plastic will burn if you don't do your part watching the temps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Medium I have bears, the use calhouns to make theirs and it's a great plastic,recommend to any one In hard and soft I have bait junky, love it, love ,love it. Also recommend to any one I'm going to stick with baitjunkys cause I like the variety on how you can order 5 gallons I had a purple that I made with red glitter, but close to the end and I reheat, it chang d color on me Deeper purple like Berkley but now I had two different color baits. Think heat stabilizer would help that And just as you guys said, just a dribble Started doing tubes by dipping using hard plastic but I swear I think it's burning, cantt Tell cause my test color is red, opaque ref, but it smells like I might be burning it so. Thank you fir the advice guys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Medium I have bears, the use calhouns to make theirs and it's a great plastic,recommend to any one In hard and soft I have bait junky, love it, love ,love it. Also recommend to any one I'm going to stick with baitjunkys cause I like the variety on how you can order 5 gallons I had a purple that I made with red glitter, but close to the end and I reheat, it chang d color on me Deeper purple like Berkley but now I had two different color baits. Think heat stabilizer would help that And just as you guys said, just a dribble Started doing tubes by dipping using hard plastic but I swear I think it's burning, cantt Tell cause my test color is red, opaque ref, but it smells like I might be burning it so. Thank you fir the advice guys Both of those plastics are calhouns. They don't make it they repackage it. The company's that make it are Spikeit, Mf, Lurecraft, chemionics, Polysol and calhouns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitjunkys Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Oh there is other companys out there as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I know there is but unless you want to buy a train load these ones will sell to a small guy. Some won't sell less than a drum which give the repackagers a chance. The point here was that they were both the same product but one was so much better than the other. It's all in what you read I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Just to point out, I never said bears was better than baitjunkys, I liked both and Recomend d both, glad to know its calhouns for both cause I like both equally Figures both were calhouns lol I do have one that I hated and would never buy again, just bad all around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
